robbiedoo.

Never said they did our club would easy sponsor a class but a lot of club secs are not mind readers so for me a email to them all and I'm sure they would all sponsor it.

I thought there was a email being sent to all the clubs by the fed president about this.

There is some interest myself and Andy are 2 for a start.

I have not received a email but have spoke to my club members and will be getting numbers tonight hopefully. 1 of the questions I got asked was what the classes are.

Here is hoping it gets supported and goes ahead am sure its open to all fanceirs not just the North Of Scotland Fed ones.

How many birds roughly are they hoping to get before the show goes ahead ??

Alan as you are proberly aware some of the older guys in the fed have no computers so it might be best to ask for the clubs secs to ask there members if they are interested in the show instead of cancelling JMO. Me personally I would give it a week or so not a couple of days.

Thanks for the offer Davie it turns out that there was a bit of confusion between the guy that got the bird in and the SHU it's not my bird its John Thomsons bird I have tried phoning him a couple of times but got no reply.

Have a youngster that I lost of the loft reported down at White heaven in Cumbria is there anyone going anywhere near there that can give my bird a lift up the road a bit before I organise Walkers for collection. Thanks Robbie.

Budapest.

As we are both know there are some that are very selfish in this game.

Hi John there is a guy Wayne Buchan from Peterhead that works with me that keeps show racers I will ask him tomorrow see if he knows of anyone.

At was last year we were nae allowed to comment it's a open forum full yer boots.

Young Bird losses - a known cause and something we as members can try to address Submitted by Stuart on Sun, 22/09/2013 - 23:38 During the meeting to investigate the cause of the poor race from Leicester a few weeks ago one of the key factors identified as contributing to the difficult race was the high temperatures, Easterly (dry) wind which dehydrates the pigeons quicker as they fly and also gives less than perfect (hazy) visibility and a late liberation. I raised the following points to the delegates in the room and the Officials of the WDA with a view to sharing information available from studies carried out worldwide on young bird losses and their cause. One of the main factors that effects orientation/homing ability is dehydration. Young pigeons like any young animal (including humans) are less able to regulate their body temperature than adults and as such are more prone to dehydration, add to that their inexperience in the transporter and stress of a night away then they quickly dehydrate. Only 5% dehydration can cause pigeons to cease effective brain function which obviously has a knock on effect to their homing ability, 15% dehydration can result in mortality. One thing to consider for 2014 and onwards is to copy the actions of the KBDB in Belgium and the NPO in the Netherlands when the temperatures exceed a specific level. 1) Reduce the number of youngsters in a pannier by 20% 2) Leave the top two rows of racking empty to assist in the circulation of air/prevent the pigeons overheating (as heat rises the top rows are the hottest place on the transporter). 3) Liberate prior at 8 am (if fit) to ensure the pigeons are home before the full heat of the day This would only take place on maybe 3 or 4 weeks of the young bird season when temperatures are excessive and would need to be factored into the cost of baskets over the season to allow the WDA to declare "excessive heat and implement measures 1) and 2) above. We cannot continue to blame the Convoyer/design of the WDA transporters etc. and then not take steps to remove one of the biggest cause of losses. Surely a few pence more per pannier over the length of the season is preferable to replacing youngsters lost on the hottest days when dehydration is at its most likely which we could have attempted to address. Stuart Some background info below, -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Effect of Heat and Humidity on the Racing Pigeon Because racing pigeons do not possess sweat glands, control of their bodies’ heat and hydration is regulated through their air sacs. Cooling occurs during respiration as moisture is evaporated from the lining of the air sacs. As the pigeon uses its moisture, or fluid, to cool itself, the loss of fluid can lead to dehydration. . Dehydration When the racing pigeon works to keep itself cool, it begins to pant. This panting increases the air flow through the bird’s air sacs, evaporating the moisture and cooling the bird. The resultant loss of moisture can soon lead to dehydration if the bird does not replenish its fluid stores through drinking water. If there is no water available, the bird can’t replenish its fluid stores, so it can’t cool itself. A condition called “secondary hyperthermia†soon develops. This condition will rapidly lead to death. Signs and Symptoms of Dehydration The effects of dehydration can be seen when your racing pigeon is even just 5% dehydrated. This level of dehydration can occur within twenty-four hours of 25C (77F) temperatures. When the bird is 5% dehydrated, it becomes quiet and fluffs up. Fluffing is the bird’s attempt to cool itself by raising its feathers away from its body to increase air circulation. At a dehydration level of 10%, the bird becomes increasingly quiet and even more fluffed. When dehydration increases to 15%, there is reduced blood flow circulating to the vital organs, including the brain. The racing pigeon’s level of consciousness becomes impaired. There is a risk of death at dehydration levels of 15% and beyond. Environmental Conditions to Watch For As a racing pigeon fancier, you need to be watchful on race day for weather conditions that can increase the risk of dehydration in the racing bird. Temperatures higher than 25 C (77 F) result in rapid dehydration in the absence of water. Low humidity increases the rate of fluid loss as less moisture flows through the air sacs. High humidity decreases evaporative cooling, increasing hyperthermia. Head winds cause extra exertion which increases the CO level of the blood. This increases the rate of respirations which increases the amount of fluid loss. This, then, leads to dehydration. Prevention of Hyperthermia and Dehydration The number one prevention measure you can take to keep your racing pigeon cool and hydrated is to provide water. Offer water from the start of basketing until arrival at the race point the next day. This way you will have a fully hydrated bird at the time of the release. And provide water upon the bird’s return. The bird will readily drink, especially if there was no water along the race route. Drinking upon return will quickly restore lost fluid, re-establish hydration and cool the bird. While it is important to race pigeons during clear, sunny days, it is also very important to make sure it is not incredibly hot out as there is a high risk of dehydration. That is why it is so important to have water available at all times. Pigeons do not have sweat glands, instead the cool themselves down by panting. The bring in air, and moisture that cools their body down, as well as using their fluids in their body to cool down as well. Dehydration happens when they use up all of their fluids and they can’t replace it with water. This causes a huge problem. Because if they do not get water soon, they can die very easily. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- So what should you be looking for ? The signs and symptoms of dehydration can be seen early on, so you can catch it before it gets too serious. When a pigeon becomes 5% dehydrated, it will puff up. What the pigeon is doing it raising the feathers away from its body so it will increase the air circulation and so the insulation effect that is happening. Around 15% is when it gets really dangerous, from here on and upwards, the chance of death is a reality. Blood flow is reduced, and organs are not getting the oxygen that they need. The pigeons level of consciousness may start to dwindle, so may be able to tell this by looking at them. They will be extremely quiet and look uneasy. A temperature that is 25 degrees Celsius and above, you need to make sure your racing pigeons have access to water at all time because the chance of dehydration is high. For race days, as long as they have drank a good amount of water before the race starts, they will be fully hydrated and will be fine. But I wouldn’t try any long distance races on days hotter than 30 degrees Celsius. Obviously Water is the best way to prevent dehydration. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- also an article here that supports the previous two sections of text. http://www.auspigeonco.com.au/Articles/Effect_of_heat.html .

Dunfermline 2 Young Birds flown on 25/08/2019 North of Scotland Federation 57 Members Liberated 1486 birds in a Light South Wind Fed Name Ring Number Distance Time Velocity M Y H M S Section Club S 1 E1 C MCRAE Fr. & District SU19NE2223 C 124 946 2 40 1.0 1369.770 2 E2 J ( Ian ) GIBB Fr. & District SU19NE2112 C 124 1378 2 40 45.0 1366.208 3 E3 H McALLISTER Phd. & District SU19NE5609 H 120 1614 2 37 19.0 1352.775 4 E4 A W BUCHAN Fr. & District SU19NE2171 H 124 447 2 42 15.0 1347.840 5 E5 A W BUCHAN Fr. & District SU19NE2170 C 124 447 2 42 17.0 1347.563 6 E6 A W BUCHAN Fr. & District SU19NE2155 H 124 447 2 42 18.0 1347.425 7 W1 J ABEL Devern Valley SU19NE3063 H 115 1560 2 32 31.0 1337.296 8 E7 C MCRAE Fr. & District SU19NE2282 H 124 946 2 44 11.0 1335.008 9 E8 J ( Ian ) GIBB Fr. & District SU19NE2128 H 124 1378 2 44 33.0 1334.658 10 W2 J ABEL Devern Valley SU19NE3047 C 115 1560 2 33 50.0 1325.850 11 W3 A WILSON Devern Valley SU19NE3733 C 116 960 2 35 28.0 1319.383 12 E9 C MCRAE Fr. & District SU19NE2205 H 124 946 2 46 21.0 1317.619 13 E10 J ( Ian ) GIBB Fr. & District SU19NE2109 C 124 1378 2 49 12.0 1297.979 14 E11 J & A DONALDSON Phd. & District SU19NE6029 H 117 47 2 38 47.0 1297.158 15 E12 C & M WILLIAMS Phd. & District SU19NE6317 C 112 1659 2 33 54.0 1291.611 16 W4 A MAIR ( John ) Devern Valley NEHU19Y4458 C 115 80 2 37 14.0 1287.768 17 E13 G FINDLAY Phd. & District SU19NE5490 H 120 1273 2 45 26.0 1284.342 18 E14 G FINDLAY Phd. & District SU19NE5456 H 120 1273 2 45 28.0 1284.083 19 E15 G FINDLAY Phd. & District SU19NE5487 C 120 1273 2 45 29.0 1283.954 20 E16 R H WHYTE Phd. & District SU19NE5556 C 117 1592 2 42 3.0 1280.543 21 E17 H McALLISTER Phd. & District SU19NE5625 C 120 1614 2 46 15.0 1280.084 22 E18 H McALLISTER Phd. & District SU19NE5604 H 120 1614 2 46 16.0 1279.956 23 W5 J THOMSON Elgin & District SU19NE660 H 110 1444 2 33 48.0 1268.166 24 W6 J THOMSON Elgin & District SU19NE677 H 110 1444 2 33 52.0 1267.617 25 E19 R HIGGINS Fr. West End SU19NE35 H 123 1484 2 52 27.0 1263.926 26 E20 R HIGGINS Fr. West End SU19NE17 C 123 1484 2 52 28.0 1263.804 27 E21 R HIGGINS Fr. West End SU19NE10 C 123 1484 2 53 4.0 1259.422 28 W7 J THOMSON Elgin & District GB19N87148 C 110 1444 2 35 6.0 1257.537 29 E22 R H WHYTE Phd. & District SU19NE5554 C 117 1592 2 45 23.0 1254.733 30 E23 R H WHYTE Phd. & District NWHU19D4169 C 117 1592 2 45 24.0 1254.607

Theres nothing to apologise about Ryan like I said if the lorry was loaded properly and all clubs had some either built or bought to help get their doos up there wid be no dramas. It just speed you aff when your holding up traffic on the road and you see fits happening we the loading. Good luck.

Giggs every club is the same nae just your club point being if we cann get tressils so can every club instead of excuses your club is properly a fitter and healthier club than ours point being if they can only reach the top when they are wanting to this is mainly directed go your club but to me the other clubs that load before you . Like I said if they loaded top to bottom left to right there would no need to use the top shelfs most weeks. By the the average age of my own club would probably be around the 70 year old mark. Tell you fit I wid like to see fit Donaldson wid say if youse were to move their crates dear me I can hear anoo Good luck the Morin heres hoping for good returns. Giggs every club is the same nae just your club point being if we cann get tressils so can every club instead of excuses your club is properly a fitter and healthier club than ours point being if they can only reach the top when they are wanting to this is mainly directed go your club but to me the other clubs that load before you . Like I said if they loaded top to bottom left to right there would no need to use the top shelfs most weeks. By the the average age of my own club would probably be around the 70 year old mark. Tell you fit I wid like to see fit Donaldson wid say if youse were to move their crates dear me I can hear anoo Good luck the Morin heres hoping for good returns.

Found it very strange that 2 of our crates which were on the 3rd row on the transporter when it left our club last week came back in the lorry today and they were on the top tow them being replaced by Devorn Vallay crates. Only they know the reason for this is it that they want there doos off about 10 seconds before our doos I canna get my head round it. At the AGM it was proposed that we load the lorry from bottom to top side to side this has never happened the West section guys supposedly saying they have no facilities for loading the lorry up high but our club that loads the lorry on a brea in a busy road is expected to. Our club bought 2 tressils at a cost of £60 so we can load the lorry high if need be even though we are on a pretty steep brea. Even at the Fed AGM the west section of the fed could not give a explanation as to why they don't load the lorry the way it should be they are possessed about making sure they fill all the bottom rows. Me personally couldn't give a monkey's hoot what part of the lorry my birds are on they will still home regardless but what does annoy me is when a club that baskets in a great wide open space and on flat ground that says they have no facilities for putting their crates up high but they have the facilities when it's to stick another clubs crates up strange and baffling to me and you wander why the game is fckd dear me guys get a life and enjoy your doos it's only a 120 mile young bird race by God.

Brechin 2 Young Birds flown on 17/08/2019 North of Scotland Federation 54 Members Liberated 1496 birds in a Light South West Wind Fed Name Ring Number Distance Time Velocity M Y H M S Section Club S 1 E1 C & M WILLIAMS Phd. & District SU19NE6307 H 57 1635 0 55 56.0 1822.795 2 E2 R H WHYTE Phd. & District SU19NE5554 C 62 1594 1 0 51.0 1819.458 3 E3 C & M WILLIAMS Phd. & District SU19NE6379 C 57 1635 0 56 5.0 1817.920 4 E4 C & M WILLIAMS Phd. & District SU19NE6279 C 57 1635 0 56 7.0 1816.840 5 E5 R H WHYTE Phd. & District NWHU19D4213 C 62 1594 1 2 22.0 1775.211 6 E6 R H WHYTE Phd. & District SU19NE5514 H 62 1594 1 2 25.0 1773.789 7 E7 S GLEW Phd. & District SU19NE6180 C 63 197 1 3 48.0 1741.019 8 E8 J & A DONALDSON Phd. & District SU19NE6029 H 62 34 1 2 51.0 1736.738 9 E9 J & A DONALDSON Phd. & District SU19NE6007 H 62 34 1 2 52.0 1736.278 10 E10 J & A DONALDSON Phd. & District SU19NE6020 C 62 34 1 2 56.0 1734.439 11 E11 G P TAYLOR Phd. & District SU19NE5706 H 62 939 1 3 31.0 1732.758 12 E12 S MASKAME Phd. & District SU19NE5387 C 61 1755 1 3 14.0 1725.593 13 E13 S MASKAME Phd. & District SU19NE5313 C 61 1755 1 4 16.0 1697.848 14 E14 A W BUCHAN Fr. & District SU19NE2157 H 69 1412 1 12 22.0 1697.632 15 E15 A W BUCHAN Fr. & District SU19NE2163 C 69 1412 1 12 23.0 1697.242 16 E16 A W BUCHAN Fr. & District SU19NE2186 C 69 1412 1 12 24.0 1696.851 17 E17 H McALLISTER Phd. & District SU19NE5609 H 66 383 1 8 43.0 1695.993 18 E18 H McALLISTER Phd. & District SU19NE5640 C 66 383 1 8 46.0 1694.760 19 E19 H McALLISTER Phd. & District SU19NE5639 H 66 383 1 9 33.0 1675.672 20 E20 G FINDLAY Phd. & District SU19NE5487 C 66 240 1 9 46.0 1668.419 21 E21 G FINDLAY Phd. & District SU19NE5457 C 66 240 1 9 58.0 1663.649 22 E22 G FINDLAY Phd. & District SU19NE5482 C 66 240 1 10 2.0 1662.066 23 E23 S MASKAME Phd. & District SU19NE5368 C 61 1755 1 5 42.0 1660.807 24 E24 C MCRAE Fr. & District SU19NE2217 H 70 392 1 15 16.0 1642.055 25 E25 C MCRAE Fr. & District SU19NE2282 H 70 392 1 15 18.0 1641.328 26 E26 C MCRAE Fr. & District SU19NE2225 C 70 392 1 15 19.0 1640.965 27 E27 A B GEDDES Fr. & District SU19NE2303 C 70 522 1 15 25.0 1640.513 28 E28 J ( Ian ) GIBB Fr. & District SU19NE2137 H 70 788 1 15 53.0 1633.929 29 E29 J ( Ian ) GIBB Fr. & District SU19NE2124 C 70 788 1 15 54.0 1633.570 30 E30 J ( Ian ) GIBB Fr. & District SU19NE2128 70 788 1 15 56.0 1632.853

Mick it might be a idea to contact Rab whose bus we went to Belguim on.I'm sure there was a wee gerald trailer in the yard where I left my van in and it had Clydebank midweek club on the side of it.

Derek if you notice the drops that you are speaking about are actually for the Raptors aswell as the pigeons so icant see what good it would do not unless there is another kind of drops.

Your working ya hungry hor.

Dunfermline 1 Young Birds flown on 03/08/2019 North of Scotland Federation 28 Members Liberated 420 birds in a Light East North East Fed Name Ring Number Distance Time Velocity M Y H M S Section Club S 1 E1 G FINDLAY Phd. & District SU19NE5465 C 120 1273 2 48 56.0 1257.733 2 E2 R H WHYTE Phd. & District SU19NE5514 H 117 1592 2 45 5.0 1257.014 3 E3 G P TAYLOR Phd. & District SU19NE5721 H 117 960 2 44 36.0 1256.865 4 E4 G P TAYLOR Phd. & District SU19NE5704 H 117 960 2 44 37.0 1256.738 5 E5 R H WHYTE Phd. & District GB19N96108 C 117 1592 2 45 9.0 1256.506 6 E6 G FINDLAY Phd. & District SU19NE5462 C 120 1273 2 49 28.0 1253.775 7 E7 G FINDLAY Phd. & District SU19NE5482 C 120 1273 2 49 29.0 1253.651 8 E8 S GLEW Phd. & District SU19NE6165 C 118 209 2 45 58.0 1252.595 9 E9 C & M WILLIAMS Phd. & District SU19NE6386 C 112 1659 2 38 45.0 1252.151 10 E10 S GLEW Phd. & District SU19NE6184 C 118 209 2 46 14.0 1250.586 11 E11 J PATERSON & L LINSAY Fr. & District SU19NE3836 H 102 1143 2 25 27.0 1242.097 12 E12 J PATERSON & L LINSAY Fr. & District SU19NE3851 C 102 1143 2 25 29.0 1241.812 13 E13 J PATERSON & L LINSAY Fr. & District SU19NE3872 H 102 1143 2 25 31.0 1241.528 14 E14 G P TAYLOR Phd. & District SU19NE5723 H 117 960 2 47 8.0 1237.814 15 E15 R H WHYTE Phd. & District GB19N96118 H 117 1592 2 48 20.0 1232.745 16 E16 A W BUCHAN Fr. & District SU19NE2179 H 124 447 2 58 4.0 1228.119 17 E17 S GLEW Phd. & District SU19NE6181 C 118 209 2 49 30.0 1226.484 18 E18 J & A DONALDSON Phd. & District SU19NE6029 H 117 47 2 48 57.0 1219.100 19 E19 J & A DONALDSON Phd. & District SU19NE6068 H 117 47 2 48 59.0 1218.860 20 E20 J & A DONALDSON Phd. & District SU19NE6007 H 117 47 2 49 0.0 1218.740 21 E21 H McALLISTER Phd. & District SU19NE5609 H 120 1614 2 54 53.0 1216.891 22 E22 H McALLISTER Phd. & District SU19NE5601 H 120 1614 2 54 55.0 1216.659 23 E23 H McALLISTER Phd. & District SU19NE5629 H 120 1614 2 54 59.0 1216.196 24 E24 A W BUCHAN Fr. & District SU19NE2185 H 124 447 3 1 11.0 1206.993 25 E25 A W BUCHAN Fr. & District SU19NE2152 C 124 447 3 1 12.0 1206.882 26 E26 C & M WILLIAMS Phd. & District SU19NE6322 C 112 1659 2 45 5.0 1204.113 27 E27 C & M WILLIAMS Phd. & District SU19NE6295 H 112 1659 2 45 7.0 1203.870 28 E28 R MCKENZIE Inverurie SU19NE1562 H 90 479 2 12 38.0 1197.881 29 E29 S MASKAME Phd. & District SU19NE5408 H 116 1718 2 53 53.0 1184.001 30 W1 A MILNE Devern Valley SU19NE3314 C 115 1086 2 52 13.0 1181.570

Its Lee,a ring number Davie ny breeder buyer I got from Lee is 4321.