Tubbles I certainly think we are good birds short and I aint happy at being so many short but we are missing a lot of birds and there is no way I would want to be convoyer. I have had bad training chucks, imagine what it would be like if you liberated 4000 birds and watched as they circled the site for half an hour. I chucked mine out 10 mile down the road and knew I'd made a big mistake but once you've done it, it's done. No going back. You know we've sold birds, that I was well proud of. We are birds short that have been in the top 5% more than once. No we didn't send rubbish and felt we'd get better returns but. No offence taken.