How many times we going to have this debate on here. Here is one fact the fastest pigeon wins the race no other, the way some go on about E.T.S WINNING RACES ITS the PIGEON that wins the race. over the years fanciers have tried everything to get that little bit of an edge on others, getting the fastest runner to run with the rubber to the club clock, open door , stall trap, etc but if the bird is not there it does not matter what you use. THATS A FACT.