Ok Roland i am up for change ,adjust your sails what do you suggest , Breed less (limit rings) dont train ,limit birds sent to a race ( god !! we cant do that it hints of fairness ) dont race young birds out ie ,pick a race point 80 mile out and send for same race point for 6 weeks ( education ,not racing out for the sake of nationals with young doos ) i am afraid now adays birds are bred to compensate for losses.I dont pretend to have the answers but there is some that are not up for change ,sayings like its always been this way from a large majority stop change.