yes but could have had a lot more paul i held back what i thought was my best birds did not send them over 180 miles just trained and flagged i drop most birds from the 180 to 260 miles on the east route and so do plenty others m8 ill race from any where thats safer for the birds if it was better returns from the east then id agree with you guys 100 percent but its just not the case im not saying the west is better but its not any worse for me but i prefer the west for keeping my birds on the correct line and also when we get a bad one birds still work back days or weeks later this does not happen racing the east route if there not on the loft next morning you never see them again thats my only reasons for thinking west is better for my birds jmo m8