my thoughts to pat but that was the last toss today and another good one so someone is making a difference maybe the penny has dropped at last its the guys that are being hit at there lofts that hold the key to solveing the problem if they have birds locked out everyday they will sort it locking your birds up for the winter helps no one because as soon as you let them out in the spring there back to torment you so well done guys you know who you are keep it up ps thats ten tosses 3 from 12 miles 7 from 20 miles so that will do them till feb when im ready to get them them going again and we will see how they go