Aye a think it is thAt pair that's causing the damaged john once the birds are getten close to the area they head of there line of flight and over the east towArds tinto hill just to avoid them , a think am going to stop training and just send them to every race cause it's gutting when u train them and your losing good experienced birds from a 20 mile toss , that's all my race team had a race now so here's hoping they manage ok with out training