Sorry for that loft pic, and confusion I was trying to show something similar to mine I never realised that had dowels on,teach me to look properly, my loft is all closed at front except vents at bottom and traps at top 3 sliding doors one on each section with glass in windows, will try and get pic of mine if I cant find any online mine also has about 3 foot sloping roof at front and normal overhang at back, one of those with wings or whatever they called