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thanks for the info Sammy i will contact Jaap after the weekend as the only discription he has given me was he is big strong with a big head in his fifties not much to go on cheers Alan

all roads lead to Rome so they say some of the studs give real good deals and fanciers the chance to get top class bloodlines for reasonable prices but have no guarantee to win or breed winners the racing lofts that sell give you the chance to buy off their top birds big winners and proven producers you buy their birds but you do not get them looking at Stuart and Raymonds birds for example and not having handled their distance family i would say if i where buying i would be knocking on thier door they look the part and have the performances to match i do not think you could get better for the prices they charge cheers Alan

Stuart i would like to make it crystal clear mr Frame from Newmains has gone out of his way to find this guy to no avail and i do not think for one minute that this guy is local also at no time has any blame been labelled against the LANAKSHIRE fanciers who are held in high esteem by myself and Jaap its just unfortnate the sale was at Newmains but it could have been any where this type of person needs to be caught and this mess sorted out our sport does not need people like this cheers Alan

Chris if he is crossing show racers into racers and selling is he stateing they are racers or show racer crosses or not saying anything then its upto the buyer to be the judge also it was not an auction it was a pen sale the guy had ordered birds off Jaap to be taken to the sale which he paid for the 2 that where not where a special breeding pair he was going to put on Elimar to be auctioned yes i do agree with you he should never have given the ring cards or peds untill he recieved payment for them but he did not deserve to be ripped off for being nieve all is iam asking for is who ever the guy is to sort it out with him his e-mail is leestowsmith@aol.com he has asked me to help find this guy but i would be surprised if his name is in fact ALAN SMITH cheersAlan-

well oldyellow i find your comments very distastful that you would think never mind write that you thought it was OK for this guy to conn Jaap no wonder the sport is losing members regards crossing show birds and selling off as racers i know nothing about that they say what goes around comes around well you may be got yours at the auction a week or two ago i will leave it there before i really say what i think of your comments cheers Alan

Gareth have tryed SHU they would help but we do not know his address and so far does not seem to exist but think he is Scottish some one at the sale will know this guy just would like him to contact Jaap and sort this out cheers Alan

help required on Sunday 09/12/07 a sale was held at Newmains 14-00 to 17-00 hrs Manse rd Newmains by Jaap Van Alpen and his son in law Jaap had brought over birds that where ordered also sale birds and a special breeding pair that he was going to put on Elimar at the sale lots of fanciers wanted to buy them but he stood firm untill a mr ALAN SMITH who had already ordered birds from Jaap and had got them he continually badgered Jaap untill he would agree to sell him the pair only problem being he had no more money with him but promised to send the money over to Jaap as he had already bought birds off Jaap and no problems with paying Jaap gave hime the birds ring cards and peds yes you have guessed this person never paid and after a number of attempts to contact him is only left with one or two options some one must know this guy would they please pass on any info so we can resolve this situation its either that or put this in the hands of the police we get enough bad publiity with out this sort of crap thanks Alan

try Boddy and Ridewood

I think the clock is a thing of the past ets is here to stay weather you like it or not lottery grants have helped most clubs get them and if you look at it the old age pensioners in our sport now have a level playing field no one can stop progress cheers Alan

try Frank Sheader

theres plenty up here in Aberdeen

you might get your rings end December but the way the weather is you will be lucky to have eggs by the end January Stevie you where just standing in near 2 inchs snow last week end and this week end it was that frosty you would have been lucky to clean out but best of luck lol spend your time better and come out for a pint cheers Alan

what sort of prices did they make and where they y/bs or o/bs or a mixture

stay Tony and put your point of view across well done

well into his eighties

i was£100 per year and had a yearly rental with 6 months notice to quite by council this was a fair size piece of ground out in the wilds cheers Alan

i have not been over to BOBS for a long time but he is to good a fancier to let that happen you should go to his lofts and i bet you will change your mind cheers Alan

the best guy to ask about Jan Ardens would be BOB McDONALD of Fraserbourgh he brought the first into the country and still has them many lofts winning with BOBS JA Cheers Alan

Chris its the Jan theelans ive got

Chris i do not know what his birds where like at the shows i can only comment on my own and there is nothing showy about them every one who has seen and handled them has said they are top class real racing type cheers Alan

he has not got show birds but if you look at his Arden based birds they would win in any show cheers Alan

there is also brakius van wan roy wan der wegen as well

Jaap does not race now but was one of the best flyers in his combine when he flew also a top judge he has a small breeding stud and has several familys some very good lines the ones i have off him i am delighted with and have another couple of pair coming cheers Alan

depends on type of day also they go a lot faster when percy chasing them lol cheers Alan

well done Chris top man not taking advantage like the guy who run it cheers Alan