Reply 10 is from the man himself. I visited Joe today to see how he is recovering from his operation. He was busy planting all his bedding plants into pots, something he loves doing, just like his pigeons. He asked me about this subject, and i didnt want to discuss it as i knew he would be hurt by all the negative talk about him. I tried to keep talking about other things, than this. Joe has made some enemies, but more friends through life. You either like him or you dont. If there are people who want answers (even tho they are here to be read), then speak to man himself. He did say that if anyone has any questions that need answered he would gladly do so. Why is it people that arent involved in this, that are doing all the chanting. Shouldnt it be the people that are being effected that should be asking the questions? As bluetooner and others have stated, Joe has done, and is doing, an immense amount of work for the sport, and to be knocked like this is not acceptable. So to the people that need answers and arent happy with what has been said, contact joe himself, i,m sure he would oblige. Regards alex wight (yes, a friend of Joe Murphys)