John, My intentions was not to throw stones westerly, it was to get a reasonable debate from West sect lofts as to why the majority didn't fair as well as a couple who had good races, when conditions suited for a change. However I think it has been answered correctly imo already by Eastcoaster. The national needs a strong west sect as it does in all sections. I'm sure the winter months and AGMs will be well attended! and remember- If you do what you've always done you'll get what you always got. I'll say no more on this as it obviously has offended some. Good Luck.