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£30 lot 15

Mark Cauldwell top sprint Van Reet man, i bought his methods once.

A guillotine to cut the foot off. I have trouble getting rings on some ybs at 7 days old.

iDue to downsizing my stock loft I have 4 pair of WLG Janssens for sale, these are superb specimens and have all bred prizewinners:- Dark Cock GB 02. Blue/W.Fl Cock GB 02 Sire " Last Classic" bred by WLG from the Classic cock and Wonder Emma Dam "Witpen Annie" bred by WLG from Apollo13 and Annie. Cheq Cock GB02 Cheq Cock GB02 Sire " Giggsy" bred by WLG from the Commander Cees and The Producer Hen Dam "Donkere Classic" bred by WLG from The Classic Cock and Leaiha. Cheq Hen GB02 Cheq Hen GB02 Sire Cheq bred by WLG from Brother Classic and Classic Girl Dam Blue/W bred by WLG from Gameboy and Wondergirl 07 (ex Golden Wonder) Cheq Hen GB02 Sire Cheq bred by WLG from GB99S 38813 and Schallie Kweekduiven Dam Blue/W bred by WLG from Apollo 13 and Annie Blue Hen GB02 Sire "Keano" bred by WLG from Wonder Red and Marvel Hen Dam "Scalpy" bred by WLG from Tame 21 and and Bon Kras 46 All one price £100 each with full pedigrees.

2 and 3 SOLD.

As Santa is coming and the papers are full of sales I will reduce these Gabys to £200 for all 4, if no interest at that price i'm extending my stock loft, these really are superb birds, young, and a bargain at that price.

I didnt think these birds were over priced but as having had no interest would listen to reasonable offers, where else would you get a granddaughter of Wittenbuik at these prices.

I have 2 pair of Gaby Vandenabeeles for sale, i purchased them middle of last year off this site, they havent been bred off by me. I rerstarted 2 seasons ago and like most went out buying birds left right and centre and finding myself overstocked i offer them for sale. BLUE COCK 06 grandson of Belg 88 Zoon National Belg 85 Blaw Fideeke Belg 86 Schone Fideel Belg 92 Jane BLUE HEN 06 granddtr of Belg 88 Wittenbuik Belg 85 Moriska Belg 98 Gilberto Belg 98 Nadine CHEQ COCK 06 grandson of GB96 Golden Son Belg 90 Ambers Pride Belg 95 Jester Belg 95 Carrie CHEQ HEN 05 granddtr of GB96 Golden Son Belg 90 Ambers Pride Belg 95 Jester Belg 95 Carrie These are almost through the moult and are periced to sell at £100 each or will take offers per pair.

Interestede in the page cock if stil available

John Soderlund was First and Second UNC with them in the eighties and they still do well in this area, generally as good one day distance birds.

I have several 04 and 05 Gaevert hens for sale, these were purchased as Young Birds from Terry McGeechan and Louella. I purchased them to try in the race loft but I race widowhood and the majority of the birds i received were hens, these havent been bred from. They are all grand children or double grand children of GP's top birds, all have full original pedigrees. Blue Hen Double Grand daugter of Plekke T.Mcgeechan Ch/w Hen Grand daughter Den300, dtr of Olive. T.Mcgeechan Blue/w Grand daughter Zwarte Ketelar Louella Blue Grand daughter Wittekop. Louella Ch/w Double Grand daughter Witte Neus. Louella. These are spare hens and havent been bred from, £20.00 each plus carriage.

In what price range.

The bird cant race without a ring and i'm not sure of the legality of selling a bird without one, at auctions usually any unrung bird is "given" to the purchaser of its mate or similar to get round this.

Lot 2 sold.

Lot 1 sold

I have 2 Pouw Brothers hens for sale, i purchased these cracking hens from Eddie Tonks in York but never bred from them. LOT 1.03 Light Cheq Hen. £40.00 Double grand daughter of Pouw Bros "Vechter" 8 firsts LOT 2.02 Cheq Hen £40.00 Double granddaughter of Pouw Brothers "Het Kanon" 10 firsts.

So what range are u looking for, is this the Klein Dochter on yr website.

95 for both

There are some lofts in the UNC that in recent years train twice a day with remarkable results but these lofts would win anyway, trouble is a lot of fanciers are copying the training schedule without the knowledge of feeding to suit sometimes with disastrous results.

Obviously first class birds Peter, maybe birds thast someone paid a fortune for and sent ill prepared to too great a task, now in the right hands doing really well. this has nothing to do with pedigrees, again for fear of repeating myself just because they were strays to your loft doesnt mean they dont have a pedigree. Well done on the performances by the way, do u have anything that might win Bourges for me.

Yes, might pick up a bargain or 2 .

Thats absolutely true Albear, couldnt agree more, thats why we're all in the same boat, just if its off 2 winners it MIGHT shorten the odds a bit. I was just making the point in reply to the comment that buying on the pedigree being rubbish, it might be the case but if the pedigree is accurate its got more going for it than any of the other theories, obviously you need to be close to the winners, apples not falling far from the trees thing. Davey, both Norman and his brother Ted died a few years ago now, while i was out of the game. Time Carl joined in here, can't get stirred for red and white.

And just while i'm rambling on a bit lol, the list of attributes at the front are great for pigeon fanciers who are trying to have a team of birds that conform to certain standards (a bit like crufts), and they are nice to look at and make for a great hobby, but they have little bearing on winning races or breeding winners, how many of us have had birds that look and handle perfectly, have great eyesign, and cant get near the clock, yet other birds with exactly the same qualities can. Its not what you can see or feel that makes winners. just wish i knew what it was and could bottle it. Its only my opinion of course and would be interested in others views.

Hi All You have got to assume that the pedigree writer is telling the truth to allow the debate, if someone offers you a bird from a pair with 6 wins each that are not much to look at or handle OR from a pair that look and handle perfectly but cant get home on the day (AND THERE ARE A LOT OF LOVELY LOOKING BIRDS THAT FIT THE BILL),anyone that goes for the bird from the pair with the 6 wins are buying the pedigree, ie its ancestry. And Peter just cos the bird came from under the bridge doesnt mean it wasnt well bred or have a good pedigree, it just means you havent seen it. And i agree with the bird dropping late at night by the way, a marvellous feeling. Davey B, High Southwick

Although i didnt tick any of the boxes the 3% who ticked pedigree are probably the most correct. Bearing in mind that maybe 90% of any birds, no matter what eyesign they have, how long their wings are, how they handle, look, act in the loft or anything else will be rubbish. Countless studies have been done on Horses Greyhounds AND pigeons checking eyesign, measuring lengths of this and that, bone structure or whatever without arriving at any conclusions, the only factual thing affecting any livestocks prowess is its ancestry. Of course a lot of good pedigreed birds go in the bin, they also have a high failure rate but not as high as those with the other attributes. Ask a race horse dealer what he looks for, successful ancestry (or pedigree)