Michael J Burden

Found it a much better picture of a different bird.

Mealy white bar. Not a very good picture.

This is what I am likely to get next year.

I look at the JAM THELEEN birds and the majority seem to be reds. I have not yet seen any website or article of their birds etcbut it appears reds are being being paired to reds in all the lofts where I have seen them. Those recessive traits which you mention are if there generally hidden because they are recessive. By pairing 2 birds together who both carry them then the ybs can become that odd colour, inbreeding usually does bring it out if there. Sorry if I am teaching you to suck eggs.

I used to keep rodents and this is what happened when I put up vaponer fly killers in the room where they are housed. It caused the rodents to become sterile until it was removed. Whether the chemicals in IVERMECTIN are or do the same thing I do not know.

Your grizzle looks like the not so common sort of TIGER grizzle which is different to the usual grizzle we see. What type of breed is it?

According to the owner it is a new gene and it is called a DRIZZLE.. Vallance lofts I have not got my funny coloured one yet when I do I will get a good picture of it so you can see it.

This is a new colur mutation or gene which gives a different appearance tot he red / blue /brown. It is newly discovered in the USA and I understand a similar gene has been found in Europe so it may find its way into the racing flocks soon. It is called a drizzle, what do you think?

I have had them and good ones of any colour are hard to find. They looked well and flew as good or as bad as the next bird. I had a silver yearling do the Tarbes in 2007, it was a faster race but some of my other entrants failed to get home. I think if you have a stock loft and you breed one from proven stock to keep that gene alive in your gene pool the stock loft is a good place to put it. If I had a stock loft I would put them in one. If you mix up some of the rarer genes you can get some very fancy looking birds. Mealies with white bars which I am trying for next year. On race day though I am intersted in seeing the first bird home and colour does not figure in it. I do however have more reds than blues and next year will give my blues in the main to a friend so year on year will have no blues or cheqs.

Trevor Glover had them and raced them to 700miles and they won at that distance. The reason I believe why they are in the minority even more so are that fanciers go for the in strain. If that in strain is lacking in none blue birds then they are noticable by their absence. I know that grizzles for instance are amking a comeback, if someone gets a few top results with a reconized breed then they will get even more popular. In the club where I send the only none blue birds belong to me ;D The trouble with breeding recessive birds together to get a cock of that colur can be the lack of racing selection and obviously that means sometimes poor racers in place of colour

There are only 3 colours. They are dominant through to the recessive starting from red (ash) then blue and then brown. Cock birds carry 2 colour genes, if they carry the one red gene they are red. if they carry the blue gene are blue not thr red otherwise it will be a red. if both colour genes are carried brown, which is similar to silver blue and often called dun. Hen birds carry one colour gene so what ever it is it is that colour. There are many other genes which are callled monifiers. These alter one of the basic colours and produces different 'colours' that we see such as yellow, silver, chocolate opal or blacks plus others. For a cock to be yellow it needs to have at least one red red gene. Attached to that gene and the other it will require 2 for dilute. If not it will just be a red who can produce silver blue and red hens in the nest. Now to put a spaner in the works, especially as you are in the USA there are other genes which cause birds to be yellow looking. The actual colour can be blue but the genes are pale, dilute and extreme dilute. It can get very complicated. The best website to explain all this with pictures is Ron Huntley http://www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyloft/yellow.html

Glassfeather I clicked on your link and it took me nowhere then cashed my compter. Try this link for the best genetic site on the net, my view anyway. http://www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyloft/

Nice looking bird. You need to try her if you have no others back to other sons. She should first of all be paired to a red who has 2 genes for red and not one red and blue, these generally look like red with black splashes. Now keep the cocks and pair them to red hens, one back to mother. Some of the red cocks will have the gene for dilute, not all. If you see any come out of those pairings you can be sure that cock has that gene. Pair that one to its mother. This was you can get a number of yellows, some hens and maybe a cock. The yollow effect is reciessive which is why it apears to skip generations. Alternatively you could drop Laurie an email, she is in the USA and has some fine specimens of that colour and sells them too. Her e-mail is okemats@sbcglobal.net Check out her photo album called: "Oshaben Trentons" http://www.PictureTrail.com/gid6337817&pathID=2033848

The trouble is all this, talk on here is interesting but does not get anything sorted. You need a thread where new ideas can be aired and a new or old rule ammended through a well written propsition which can be submitted through the correct channels. As has been realised by many of the contributors there are many arm chair whingers who do just that, whinge. On Pigeon chat I started a thread to address this but most have no contructive ideas and are happy to moan about things. I suspect even if a new organisation was set up to give the RPRA run for there money the arm chair whingers would still be vocal. It is a fact of life that no matter how good things are in the country people always find something to moan about. PS things are not right from what I have read with the RPRA but as many say it is ours so why not look at the rules, submit rules for the better and change things in stead of just moaning about it. PPS I can moan for England but it only does one thing, makes you unhappy and gets up others noses.

http://www.pigeon-chat.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18343 This is the thread, takes about 30 minutes to get through.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/karenjames Anyone who has not heard Karen James has been suspended from the RPRA for contributing to a thread on another site. If you have not already done so and wish to support her click the above link and vote, it only takes a minute. What she wrote was this.............

They do have the right credentials and a bargain by the sounds of it. I have been watching these on the EPS auction.

What is the definition of a PLEB. I know what a FLUB is, fat lazy useless, but a PLEB beats me ;D

There is nowt wrong being a numpty as long as you are balanced and base your input on facts not madeup ones. I think this is too serious.

Sorry Chrisss I will refrane from the diversion some have alterior motives. ;D

Thanks for the good coments Dicky, but I am laughing out so loud by this one, not Chrisss misfortune but that everthing that goes around comes around. RChen and me do not see eye to eye, but being of the gentler persusion that she is that is no surprise.

our love for each other is mutual. ;D RChen get a life.

Well ine was 59th and I have money carried over and I will be happy at that. As to the TV he did make himslf look silly but this showed that he was passionate allbeit a greedy man. Like many fanciers and folk I come across everyday. Give him a little credit he has come from nothing to a sucessful businessman. Roll on to next year this has been the worst year in my memory of pigeon racing This is the last time, I promise, that I look at or contribute to this thread, all the best see you at the winter events, maybe,.

I know him too well I am afraid. He is on pigeomland and they love him, staffsfox. Had birds from him, one a suposed breeder of the Willy Thas strain until I located the breeder who informed me it was a D'Hondt, I said **** and he said No D'Hondt. ;D I dont think we need that sort of language just in case you have missed it something for you to read http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1199732139/

Put the report on before I saw it had already gone on. Chrisss, I am amazed that you think it is odd that that he calls some scum. I think he has been very restrained in the way he has written about all the mis informants and trouble makers and name calling of him and his race. He could have been more vocal. If he is caled down he has a right to reply in the same way as it was put. I am sure many on here will jump onthe band wagon and shout me down, and they will be upset wih the word scum :-/