very good post there think it should be a rule that every new comer to our sport read this but then again im not a mean person but i always try to find out as much as i can before i buy doesnt always work i have to say like i was out of the birds for a few year and i couldn't believe that some lofts were using the same winners to advertise there birds 8 years or so previous saw these adds in the pigeon mags just a quick hint a fancier doesnt have to be winning every week to have top birds its all about location with a lot of theses multiple winners