fienke 5000 an left a long line of winners after it flown by veroout (spelling) koen van roy bought the olypmaid of leo hermans if im right in his last total sale around 07 or 08 not sure about that leo had said he was not filling so well anymore but koen managed to get birds from him hes a buyer mostly of big name pigeons he used to fly well in the mid 2000s with his soontjens and koopmans im not so sure if he flys now or what his results are like he keeps a lot of the de rauw sablon etc now he also had a real good breeder off the 155 of herbots another soonjen