some good points there Ian :emoticon-0137-clapping: have to say the way Ian runs his sales & charity sales etc is second to none seeing the amount of work that he puts in behind the scene before a sale hits the main board and then when the sale is running collecting the money sorting out the buyers with there birds etc and lots more it was a big job to take on but he has took it by the horns and made it another animal all together of course without the members putting up there birds and of course the buyers putting there hard earned cash in to buy the birds and donations the £12,600 would not be possible :emoticon-0137-clapping: