Peter we had some late breds last year the late bred hens got out every day as they were in a section on there own with some unrung hens 4 20 mile tosses and then into the racing 4/6 are still there raced out to 170mls we had 5 or 6 late bred Cocks tae kept in all winter and all were away by the 4th race Tells it's own story pal