I've worked shifts for over 20 yrs you just have to get on with it yourself if you have no help mate. I used to be at the loft at 5 in the morning during racing and back after work then later on at night when on earlies and i was there most of the morning when i was backshift. I used to get up the back of 4 during racing and stick my doos in Vince's van the back of 5 in the morning for training at 10 they sat in the van for 5 hours but at least i had a bit of cover in training. last year it was 4 tosses before racing for the old birds and no more training all season and 10 tosses for the yb's and never trained again only flagged If you want to race pigeons you just have to fit in a system around your work because that's what pays the bills pal :emoticon-0167-beer: