No i don't Derek, not at all. But i think part of my management is keeping as many predators away from me as possible, if a cat is about i get rid of it, if its a fox i get rid of it and if its flying i set a trap for it and get rid of it. I'm feckin sure i'm no gonna work ma Ass off then let an outside influence of ANY kind disrupt my birds. I see it as my RESPOSIBILITY to my doos to get rid of EVERYTHING that upsets them, and i don't rest 'til its done!! I absolutely believe the answer to all fanciers problems with the doos is in the mirror, have always believed that and always will. I wasn't trying to be smart, in fact i never seen that it was your thread until i responded to it, so i wrote what i honestly believe to be the answer to the problem. :D