OLDYELLOW

was told this once: the next time you think your arguing with an idiot , step back and evaluate and make sure your not doing the same

Am i being facetious ( spelt correctly ) no im not more factual than whitty . The loft you gave as an example was firstly a bad one and one that still did not support your statement. At no point in your orginal post did you say that overcrowding was a myth for bad management. In my young bird section which is 6ft x 6ft x 2 meters high, i have v- perches there are 50 of them i have another wall which is blank and a part wall if i added another 45 perches in this section there would be 95 perches so what your saying that would be fine and will hold 95 pigeons as they would all have a perch and dont forget the trap i suppose that could sit six pigeons , but i recon 1 dominant cock would kick them all off, then theres the floor space perhaps another 25 birds as im on deep litter so in all 130 birds i could have in here . My loft will hold 40 pigeons 36 even better. If your statement was true then why do we need sectional breeding boxes to breed these flock loving non territorial non fighting pigeons in ? a small 1ft shelve and could have all the nesting bowls next to each other

nature is completely different as our birds are far removed from its rock dove state , there in a false enviroment , we race them which is not was intended for them we are manipulating the migratory instincts , we are there sole provider not mother nature , if you want to look at nature it's survival of the fitest but even the fitest can secum to illness , yes pick up a ferial they be lice free wont secum to paromixo virus , but you get it to fly 500+ mile , nature will be survival of the fittest not fastest or one that home

In this 12ft x9ft x 8ft how would you catch all these pigeons to basket they would fly round you till your exhausted a smaller more managable area will keep your birds tamer and be less stressfull to them , but still you have not answered the question ( why is overcrowding a myth ) but clearly you wont because your opinion is flawed as overcrowding causes most of our pigeons health problems

you claim that overcrowding is a myth , as i can clearly give you 2 examples that it is a problem and you even said that more birds housed then viruses spread quicker so even you admit that it's a problem , so i cant understand why it's a myth ?

a Tree is not an enclosed artifical envirioment is it ? unless its a bonzai in a solarium , birds that roost in trees are in open air with shelter and there territorial instints will predict how many will roost in said tree , still this doesnt answer my original post: now lets see where did the Bird Flue Virus start ? overcrowded bird market !!!!!!!!! one loft race virus struck ? wonder how many birds per foot was in there

cracking hen

2 pigeons wouldnt be overcrowded now would they!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stale air ammonia feaces and racing and flying out will all be contributing factors in the health of a pigeon , how does your suggestion disprove over crowding ?

hmmmmmmmmmmm now lets see where did the Bird Flue Virus start ? overcrowded bird market !!!!!!!!! one loft race virus struck ? wonder how many birds per foot was in there

lovely birds and set up and well kept , keep it up seems like have a good eye fer the birds

kirky might have a few pm him

are you buy or selling , or both cant make out which

it's good to get a few opinions Damian then you can make your own up , birds in different areas perfom better in some areas than others

In your case i'd say yes birds all of different ages the older ones start to go ranging and take the younger ones with them then the younger ones peel out and loose they way. Most losess are because birds are poorly trained when sent to races. The second reason is clashing and third is birds with poor homing abilitys and no love of home.

i let a hen out last week from my stock loft she appeared tonight should get her back in when she hungry , some neighbourhood kids let my stock out when i started at one house maded sure i had locks on after that , but im sure your gutted , they might supprise you and work there way back , i sure hope they do

Happy Birthday Mick hope you have had a good un , 21 + double added tax eh is it today ?

Congratulations, top flying fantastic results

little sam 14 !!! ben hamill 14 !!!

peter this site is opened to young children and that material was of an adult content , if a 5 year old saw that and asked what it was , where would you stand on having a minor walking in the room and seeing such material ?

viagra for pigeons ? you have to be checked for heart conditions , not a route id go down could give it a heart attack

apparently if you give them a smartie it helps them , have heard it but never tried , iodine is good for fertility juice some spinach leaves or some dried seaweed

chop his tail off his tail might not be as fexable any more

100% returns this week , well pleased , i need some yearling fer next year

if wattles are white and ventilation is fine the odd sneeze is nowt to worry about , if you see a bird sneezing , catch it hold it as normal put you ear between its back ( just behind it''s wings near base of neck ) you'l hear its lungs opening and closing , like little clicks , if sounds rattley then you have respirity , look at your ventilation / number of birds in section , and treat , for prevention i use respirity mist and bathsalts , and a herbal mix to keep under control

abusive behaviour will result in been banned so tread carefully , have fun but rember your idea of fun may upset or insult and if it does let them know , i had this once ending amicably , i dont take most things personaly , and offended im seldom not .