Well Your' Answer Is ....!

[Roland]

I think this sums up very nicely fanciers views and thoughts …. Taken from the Alberta Classic:

 

First Post:

Most of us like to base at least some of our selection on performance. Sometimes performance is a difficult thing to define. Below are the race records of two pretty good pigeons. On the surface they appear very similar, but I think there are also some fundamental differences. The birds flew in different clubs and different Federations, but on the same race course. Both clubs had a number of good flyers and both Feds averaged 1000 birds or more and 70 to 90 lofts most races. Both birds won good prizes from 100 to 500 miles at speeds from 800 ypm to 1500 ypm. Over their careers they flew roughly the same number of races.

 

Which bird would you pick for your breeding program if only one was available?

 

Bird #1 won 22 prizes in 5 years of racing including 4 X 1st Combine and 7 times in the top 4 of the combine. It only won the club one time when it did not also win the combine, i.e. 5 X 1st in total and only had one second club (also 2nd combine).

 

Bird #2 won 21 prizes in 6 years of racing. It was 11 X 1st club and 6 X 2nd club (17 times 1st or 2nd club). Most of the times it was 2nd club it arrived with a loft mate and was beat on the clock. It won one combine and had a total of three top 10 combine positions.First reply:

 

Ist reply:

Hi, they both flew great and you asked which one we would select for breeding - I think one of the key missing piece of information is the pedigree of each, can you shed some light on that if you have?

 

Why? Surely the performances are all important regardless!

 

Second reply:

 

WHY NOT SHOW A PIC.????

 

OK nice to see perhaps, but again WHY

 

3RD POST.

 

I don't get your point .....If they are in a sale? OR you raced them? Or what? If they are in a sale then eye might be the best way to select the better breeder.....but one would still need to know the family to have a chance at picking one over the other. They seem good enough that all lofts would have tried some young from them and we would have a clue as to their breeding ability.............If there were some brothers and sisters to them that were not as good at racing......and therefor maybe nothing from them had been raced.....I would look through them and their eyes - to see if there might be a bargain/ a gold nugget among them.

 

MUMBLE JUMBO OR WHAT.?!Eye sign, then family, then the Pedigee! Where are we here?

 

What happened to PERFORMANCES!

 

This topic went on and on. Deviating to colours, and breaking away from others. Size and then system etc. ALL to choose the best PIGEON.

Sound familiar to any one.

[dal2]

Why would it's performance be anything to do with what it might breed?

[Roland]

Why would it's performance be anything to do with what it might breed?

 

Exactly. But then why do so many buy supposedly performance birds to breed from then. Maybe Dal2 we can breed winners galore from those on the church roofs and save fortunes... Actually many have and do lol.

[Wiley]

I've very rarely been let down from breeding from multiple performers.

 

Id really like to see the actual performances of both birds to say which one id prefer to be honest

[Froog]

Without knowing breeding of birds, bird 2 for me, but strain is important too.

[walterboswell59]

in my opinion we buy performance birds at sales because there is writin proof on the pen that the bird has done what it says where as buying a bird that has bred winners you only have the sellers word for that but i have found in my own loft that many winners do not breed winners and have paid big money for winning pigeons that bred me nothing but at the end of the day its putting the right cock with the right hen that are going to click you could have the golden pair in your loft and never have them paired together thats why i try to run my best cocks with as many hens as pos to fined out what hen they produce the best youngbirds from but thats just the way i do it many guys have sucess breeding winner to winner but for me its best racing cock to best breeding hen and best racing hen to best breeding cock and if they are related all the better and i do not care how close untill i see a weakness in there youngbirds then i use another family or different line as good or better than what i have to cross but i always breed back to my best pigeon and that works for me jmo

[Roland]

Most, will buy 'Proven Performance' to the amount that their' pocket / needs can afford, for certain 'Stock' that they wish to have a partner too. I believe.

What I find amazing is the other add on details that they wish to see . Of course a certain strain of a 'Performance pedigree' may well have a bearing. Likewise so called Strain if having to decide.

I fear some may choose a proven POOR bird of a certain family / strain over a 'performance' bird ... Really

Indeed by and large most strains are of course a blend of 'Performance' birds I believe.

 

O Kay hands up who would '.... choose a proven POOR bird of a certain family / strain over a proven 'performance' bird?