Losses

[Bobby4]

kilsyth mate! no fed should really go over me apart from ayrshire north road or my own fed. there is 6 lofts in a half mile radius around me so not as if im the only loft mate. PS NOT ONE STRAY HAS BEEN ANR OR MY FED.

Ok cheers m8 just wondering were they are going as not a great deal getting reported on basics either going over club as they are picking strays up tonight will let you no how many.

[tyson]

lost 10 of loft all with phone number rings on not heard of one of them

[Bobby4]

lost 10 of loft all with phone number rings on not heard of one of them

Av lost 8 of the loft 6 training not heard off one

[moscow master]

Percy's the number one reason even bad doos in bad fanciers hands should still home albeit late I've dropped 12 training 19 off the loft and 12 old birds killed around the loft that's frightening!!! I can't believe we're sitting watching the game come apart and doing nothing 3/4 years and Ayrshire will be finished imo Percy causes most fallouts among guys aswell Bourne from losses as we're passionate about the doos we're looking for someone to blame !! I don't consider myself a dooman now I'm more an executioner sending these poor soul to their death

[gulkie]

So has anyone got any idea why these birds not getting reported.even as u say

john u think its the owners ,these birds are not going into other lofts,I've had one

Stray this year and its owner is in Liverpool.??

[novo10]

Main reason for losses are as follows.

1. Bad Fanciers

2. Bad Pigeons bred off of Bad Pigeons.

3. Bad Fanciers

4. Unfit Pigeons

5. Bad Fanciers

6. Hawks.

7. Bad Fanciers. Jmo

 

John no disrespect to you mate but your talking sh** the top man in your fed has lost plenty young birds this year

[geordie1234]

John no disrespect to you mate but your talking sh** the top man in your fed has lost plenty young birds this year

[KMCK]

i wish i had some of your problems ive dropped 23 young birds in a week and my old man had to collect 2 today from Edinburgh, not to mention the 40 plus old birds gone, most of Ayrshire have had the same this year

[JohnQuinn]

So has anyone got any idea why these birds not getting reported.even as u say

john u think its the owners ,these birds are not going into other lofts,I've had one

Stray this year and its owner is in Liverpool.??

 

When I was stray officer I used to use my own baskets to ferry the strays. This was deliberate as I wanted my Ybs exposed to as many bacteria/viruses as possible. Madness ??

Maybe but I think it even more madness when a stray lands on a loft and the fancier won't even let the poor cant in his loft in case it's got a disease. There IMO lies the problem with Non reporting of strays, they canny report what they won't let in and I think this applies to a large percentage of fanciers. If it's no for disease reasons then it's because they canny be bothered way the hassle. Disnae help when owners are 'suggesting' the finder dispose of it which is as prevalent as ppl no given house room tae them.

My conclusion to this is its Self inflicted on the back of scare stories about YBS PMV PARATYPHOID ( though that should be PARANOIA) or any other fad illness fanciers are claiming they know of.

 

Ps. I haven't had to put down a single Yb this season and I believe it's because my Doos are more resistant to disease because of the exposure to it. Again jmo

[JohnQuinn]

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[JohnQuinn]

John no disrespect to you mate but your talking sh** the top man in your fed has lost plenty young birds this year

 

Like a said tae Delboy, have a look and listen when the good fanciers are getting good returns and others are greetin about losing umpteen. Maybe then no think it's as much Sheeite as yer thinkin Derek.

[novo10]

Like a said tae Delboy, have a look and listen when the good fanciers are getting good returns and others are greetin about losing umpteen. Maybe then no think it's as much Sheeite as yer thinkin Derek.

Johnnyer topman in ur fed has lost plenty this year so that tells you the story and he ain't breeding of sh**

[JohnQuinn]

Johnnyer topman in ur fed has lost plenty this year so that tells you the story and he ain't breeding of sh**

 

Derek am no talking about the 5% of fanciers, it's the 95% I refer tae. This is no a 2016 problem it's been like this for feckin years

[novo10]

Like a said tae Delboy, have a look and listen when the good fanciers are getting good returns and others are greetin about losing umpteen. Maybe then no think it's as much Sheeite as yer thinkin Derek.

So why are you not losing young birds then because your not in the top of your fed lol

[JohnQuinn]

So why are you not losing young birds then because your not in the top of your fed lol

 

Naw it's because am managing mine different fae most but al loss the same percentage as every other Average fancier in the Fed over the next 5 weeks.

[novo10]

Naw it's because am managing mine different fae most but al loss the same percentage as every other Average fancier in the Fed over the next 5 weeks.

John everybody's the same good and bad fanciers will lose birds everybody is that one bad race away

[Bobby4]

Ok cheers m8 just wondering were they are going as not a great deal getting reported on basics either going over club as they are picking strays up tonight will let you no how many.

2 strays to the one of the biggest clubs in Lanarkshire .

[JohnQuinn]

John everybody's the same good and bad fanciers will lose birds everybody is that one bad race away

 

expletive remove Derek it's no about a bad race, it's aboot the same fanciers year in year oot greetin they've lost aw their Doos AGAIN and the reasons why they're no gettin reported by other fanciers and I covered both subjects.

For the record I have repatriated 5 Ybs this season, even drove half way tae meet someone who's bird came intae Ma place. I know fanciers that widnae have reported ANY of the 5 for the reasons I stated earlier.

 

2 strays to the one of the biggest clubs in Lanarkshire .

I rest Ma case😡

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Not every pigeon that gets lost is sick .the main culprit is the hawks young birds once they have been hit fly and fly again untill there done in and have no reserves to pick there self's up to make it home the next day simple

 

I do appreciate this and know that it happens, but not all will fly themselves out, some will go to ground. I hear of waves of YBS hitting an area and wonder how much of this is down to incorrect vaccination procedures. I do not race my YB's for two specific reasons deduced from reading posts on here when I was starting up.

We race our YB's at the time of year when the BOP are all out as a family and kill solely to teach their young, often not eating their prey because they are killing for education and not through feeding requirements.

YBS is rife at this time of year, either through incorrect procedures when vaccinating or through the stress of these constant attacks lowering their immunity to other illnesses.

 

I don't think I lose any more latebreds than those who are losing their YB's at this time of year. When I start to race my latebreds they are usually 9 month old "yearlings". Some are racing darkness YB's that are of a similar age at this time of year. The main drawback is over-wintering a lot of untested YB's, but this is similar to rearing a lot of darkness YB's before racing them.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Main reason for losses are as follows.

1. Bad Fanciers

2. Bad Pigeons bred off of Bad Pigeons.

3. Bad Fanciers

4. Unfit Pigeons

5. Bad Fanciers

6. Hawks.

7. Bad Fanciers. Jmo

 

A lot breed latebreds from pigeons they have not tested to the end, so reason 2 could well be valid in some cases. A lot are terrorised around the loft, so fitness could be an issue. BOP most definitely are a problem and, for me, the most serious problem. Reasons 1, 3, 5, and 7, all being the same, may account for some of the losses, but we have always had the type of fancier to whom you refer, so to a large extent, this can be discounted.

When the YB's, in particular, fly themselves out they become victim to other hunters, be that cats, rats, weasels, etc, so whilst the RSPB are correct in saying the low percentage is down to BOP, they are manipulating the statistics because so many of the other reasons they quote are also indirectly down to the BOP, thus making them the major factor.

[JohnQuinn]

The reason 1.3.5&7 are more numerous reasons than 2.4&6 is because IMO, that's Steadfast opinion, Fanciers are the biggest cause of losses Not outside factors. An nobody but Fanciers themselves are to blame for birds not getting reported.

[JOHNSEE]

I've been quite fortunate with my training this season. I started training with 35ybs, lost 2 in the early training and had three injured hitting wires. I sent 25 to Mullingar 100ml at the weekend and ended up with 20/25 so happy enough with returns.

 

So in another 4 races at the current rate of losses you will not have any left......will you still be as happy ? ...JBC/..

[Delboy]

John Bosworth 2/82 on night, still 40 amiss from 10 miler, Macaloney 30 missing 10 miler, John I think your at the wind up again. I think BOP causes more than 50% of yb losses.

I've just been informed the post above is wrong about John Bosworth,?he didn't lose his ybs at all and the amount I stated he was keeping was completely wrong.My apologies to John but I'm only relaying info that I've been told.Maybe a lesson learned for me here.

[allotmentman]

We've all done it !!!

i let 12 ybs go at coldstream and lost 1 but they were well scattered

[TheHigg]

Naw it's because am managing mine different fae most but al loss the same percentage as every other Average fancier in the Fed over the next 5 weeks.

,(I e ) not training where the majority of birds seem to be getting lost I am not keeping the birds anymore but still poke my nose into most topics and it looks like most of the birds are lost training jmo