Krugers

[Mixxy]

Maybe Hardy does'nt know he sells sh**, but i'm sure a lot will be, same as any fanciers do, they are not all good breeders, even those bred off the best, unless anyone knows different of course, and if you do can you pm a price list please .

[Guest stb-]

Maybe Hardy does'nt know he sells sh**, but i'm sure a lot will be, same as any fanciers do, they are not all good breeders, even those bred off the best, unless anyone knows different of course, and if you do can you pm a price list please .

somtimes the folk who recieve the best are not up to the task of getting the best out of them , cant always blame the pigeons . more good doos than good doo men thats a fact

[yeboah]

somtimes the folk who recieve the best are not up to the task of getting the best out of them , cant always blame the pigeons . more good doos than good doo men thats a fact

How very true Rab

You can buy the best but you can never buy the system

But more often than not the successful fanciers are those willing to put in the extra mile

[Guest bigda]

This had nothing to do with selling anyones breeders

U came on without being at the sale..without knowing anything about him or his pigeons and basically said he was sending over inferior pigeons...now yer stammering about ...

Ill put facts up later then people can decide how good or bad the birds are...

No wasting anymore time.. when really our breeding record is second to none... and so os hardys winning global..

Made a right *expletive removed* of yersal

 

As for selling our best as jamie pointed out

Our best 22 vandenbeeles were sold on pipa...

Number one stock cock

Number one stock hen...

 

once again i would like you to point out this typing error i have done on this site, according to you just cut and paste it thanks

then i will be able to run it by you again what i did say is and its there to be checked is Kruger will know what to keep and also know what to get rid and is it the fact i said "RID" annoy you or what BUT RID TO ME IS YOU DON'T NEED THEM BIRDS, SO YOU SELL THEM ON TO PIPA FOR MONEY, OR WHERE EVER. YOU HAVE A BUYER.

[Paul Mac 31]

Yes danny its ur complete negative manner RiD... suggesting he'll not send top notch birds over ...

Yes just like the rest of the top fanciers in the world danny we sold them on Pipa where they went on to achieve the money we felt that they were worth... not that we need to justify this to anyone... said it before " if u could u would but u cant.."

[Guest bigda]

Yes danny its ur complete negative manner RiD... suggesting he'll not send top notch birds over ...

Yes just like the rest of the top fanciers in the world danny we sold them on Pipa where they went on to achieve the money we felt that they were worth... not that we need to justify this to anyone... said it before " if u could u would but u cant.."

 

PAUL IT IS A FICTION OF YOU IMAGINATION TO SUGGEST WHAT I THINK, SELLING BIRDS, I DO NOT HAVE A QUIB AT ALL

BUT IF I USE THE WORD RID I AM ENTITLED TO MY OPINION, WHAT RID MEANS, NOT WHAT YOU THINK IT MEANS. SO THIS TAKES UP BACK TO WHAT I BELIEVE "RID" AS THEY CANT KEEP ALL THE BIRDS, SO HAVE TO SELL THEM, AS TO GOOD IN THERE OPINION TO KILL. I NEVER MENTION WHERE YOU SELL YOUR BIRDS OR CARE TO BE HONEST, SO BEST OF LUCK WITH YER BIRDS.

[gulkie]

Paul why Are you wasting your time.???? Leave him to rabbit on.

[Mixxy]

somtimes the folk who recieve the best are not up to the task of getting the best out of them , cant always blame the pigeons . more good doos than good doo men thats a fact

 

It does not matter who buys them, good, average or bad fanciers, new introductions have to improve what you already have. If they do not work to your system then they are no good for you! When you bring in a new line of bird that is competing against a family winning 8-12 firsts a year and they only win a 5th, then either they don't like the system or not up to the job. Either way they dont stay long. I should of worked it out when i bought them, but as i noted above i did not realise they were already second hand!

[knoxjn]

it stands to reason that not every pigeon can be a good one but these guys cant afford to be soft anything that does not stack up is rooted out if people say they will sell their best for the right price who can doubt them don't know much about the kruger birds but the mcaloney pigeons are right up there and any time their birds are up for grabs you have to pay top dollar the reason is that people who buy are more than satisfied and they will come back for more time and time again its called repeat business if you can win and sell and keep winning then you are right on the mark good on you wish it was me lol

[Paul Mac 31]

Lets look at the facts... instead of opinions... I say hardy is geniuine fancier and is sending over the best he can to compete and promote his bloodlines in the UK and to justify my claim here are just a few facts..

 

1. Premier stud have had over a 100 winners reported back to them this year bred from their direct imports

( you are more than welcome to contact them to verify this)

 

2. Les Green took 1, 2, 3 & 4 combine with 4 ybs all containing kruger blood and has had dozens of winners reported to him from his 2012 imports.

( again more than welcome to call him to verify)

 

3 we raced Krugers in only 3 races as we are tryin to establish a new team at Glenmavis.. Andy Eadie started racing 10 krugers from premier stud and Tommy Richardson raced 6 purchased from the same source all are GB14P rung ( check the Fed results.)

Between the 3 of us we have taken the following fed positions with pure krugers in one of the toughest yb seasons ever...

 

2 Fed 5776b

3 Fed 5330b

5 Fed 5776b

6 Fed 1263b

7 Fed 1908b

12 Fed 3845b

19 Fed 1908b

20 Fed 3845b

23 Fed 1908b

26 Fed 5330b

26 Fed 1908b

28 Fed 3775b

29 Fed 2378b

31 Fed 5330b

Plus 15 sec prizes averaging 1200b

 

NOT THE PERFORMANCES OF SECOND RATE BIRDS

 

4. If hardy was only selecting inferior birds

for the UK market then why would we have

in our stock loft direct children of black power..black pearl..bailey..bacardy..black sky..orlando..hugo boss..da vinci..nelly ..catwoman

Letizia all the top producers in hardys loft

 

5. There are a few Scottish fanciers that have been in hardys company and to my knowledge not one person has been left with the opinion that hardy is in the sport for the money...as he is first and foremost a racing loft trying to develop the best one day racers possible.

 

6. On a recent trip to Germany hardy picked up the bill for our and Ian Cameron accommodation, food.drink and then presented my dad with a direct son of black pearl as a gift.. a bird he could have easily sold on the market for £4000

( welcome to call ian cameron)

 

As far as im concerned I no longer need to justify the quality of the birds and the integrity of the fancier..so the viewing public can make up there own mind...

 

So Danny. Can u please put foward the case to justify your statement that " the guy kruger knows what to keep and what to get RID of..." clearly implying thathe was sendin over inferior birds to the Uk... and also state ur source...

 

Regard

George..william..and Paul mac

[jonl6280]

good reading paul, im sure danny is hiding behind his couch the now!!

[knoxjn]

that last post by paul should answer any queries regarding quality end off

[Guest bigda]

Lets look at the facts... instead of opinions... I say hardy is geniuine fancier and is sending over the best he can to compete and promote his bloodlines in the UK and to justify my claim here are just a few facts..

 

1. Premier stud have had over a 100 winners reported back to them this year bred from their direct imports

( you are more than welcome to contact them to verify this)

 

2. Les Green took 1, 2, 3 & 4 combine with 4 ybs all containing kruger blood and has had dozens of winners reported to him from his 2012 imports.

( again more than welcome to call him to verify)

 

3 we raced Krugers in only 3 races as we are tryin to establish a new team at Glenmavis.. Andy Eadie started racing 10 krugers from premier stud and Tommy Richardson raced 6 purchased from the same source all are GB14P rung ( check the Fed results.)

Between the 3 of us we have taken the following fed positions with pure krugers in one of the toughest yb seasons ever...

 

2 Fed 5776b

3 Fed 5330b

5 Fed 5776b

6 Fed 1263b

7 Fed 1908b

12 Fed 3845b

19 Fed 1908b

20 Fed 3845b

23 Fed 1908b

26 Fed 5330b

26 Fed 1908b

28 Fed 3775b

29 Fed 2378b

31 Fed 5330b

Plus 15 sec prizes averaging 1200b

 

NOT THE PERFORMANCES OF SECOND RATE BIRDS

 

4. If hardy was only selecting inferior birds

for the UK market then why would we have

in our stock loft direct children of black power..black pearl..bailey..bacardy..black sky..orlando..hugo boss..da vinci..nelly ..catwoman

Letizia all the top producers in hardys loft

 

5. There are a few Scottish fanciers that have been in hardys company and to my knowledge not one person has been left with the opinion that hardy is in the sport for the money...as he is first and foremost a racing loft trying to develop the best one day racers possible.

 

6. On a recent trip to Germany hardy picked up the bill for our and Ian Cameron accommodation, food.drink and then presented my dad with a direct son of black pearl as a gift.. a bird he could have easily sold on the market for £4000

( welcome to call ian cameron)

 

As far as im concerned I no longer need to justify the quality of the birds and the integrity of the fancier..so the viewing public can make up there own mind...

 

So Danny. Can u please put foward the case to justify your statement that " the guy kruger knows what to keep and what to get RID of..." clearly implying thathe was sendin over inferior birds to the Uk... and also state ur source...

 

Regard

George..william..and Paul mac

 

just a obsevation paul there are no fed toppers there, and if they dont win the top prize i am sure you will seek birds that are, no doubt and my statment is, he still knows what to keep, as like you, and willian know what not to sell, i dont know how to explain it to you as you think, getting rid does not mean what i say it is, selling for profit, selling your birds and when any one wins you are the first to say they are of our birds, heard it many a time , but wither krugar gives you or anyone else he will not sell the golden goose, from his loft. surly to Christ, this anit hard to take in and as for getting and reciving hospitality, as i am sure it was not all for nothing in the end, he is a smart guy sells out side his area. and again i will repeat his top stock cock or hen is not for sale to you, or anyone else, till he has a new one. well done on your results but i will not loose the plot over birds he has to sell to make room for next years assault.

[TheHigg]

that last post by paul should answer any queries regarding quality end off

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[Guest bigda]

3,500 odd views 63 replies a rest my case

[Guest chad3646]

3,500 odd views 63 replies a rest my case

 

 

you should rest your heed and go for a sleep lol

[Guest chad3646]

he still knows what to keep trust me. there is only so much you can sell, but even the macs would not sell the golden goose for 5 magic beans bigda as is

 

 

in bigdas defence the guy states that nobody would sell the golden goose,

 

and i am sure use would not either, use would sell young of it but not the golden goose

[Paul Mac 31]

in bigdas defence the guy states that nobody would sell the golden goose,

 

and i am sure use would not either, use would sell young of it but not the golden goose

 

 

Shady Lady...number one stock hen bar none... ( golden goose)

Sold on PIPA

[Guest bigda]

Shady Lady...number one stock hen bar none... ( golden goose)

Sold on PIPA

 

 

paul what age was she, and how many have equaled her in the breeding that you have keept from her, as when most find something better they then let go. of the then older bird

Edited November 7, 2014 by bigda

[knoxjn]

and your point is caller he just answered it

[Guest chad3646]

and your point is caller he just answered it

 

 

knoxin when i stated use would not either, i was talking about you and all other pigeon men myself included,well would you

[Guest bigda]

and your point is caller he just answered it

 

 

that hen produced something better and got keept supermac 11 that is what normaly happens me thinks 8 year old get something for it and also let pipa know what you have to sell

Edited November 7, 2014 by bigda

[knoxjn]

have never sold a pigeon in my life mate just an also ran now have given my best away in the past now if you want better you have to pay not got a problem with anyone who does its the modern way and good luck to them

[Guest bigda]

have never sold a pigeon in my life mate just an also ran now have given my best away in the past now if you want better you have to pay not got a problem with anyone who does its the modern way and good luck to them

 

 

yes that is the way pay your money take yer chance

[Mixxy]

that last post by paul should answer any queries regarding quality end off

 

 

Did you not notice that all fanciers mentioned have a very big commercial interest in pigeon racing? Its no surprise that because they are the in thing that they cost a few quid. Buy them, win a bit more with them and even more quids....Its all part of the commercial merry-go-round of pigeon racing!