RE: FIFE FED BIRDAGE

[Guest]

Having just read the news on the homepage, I personally think this is the way forward in pigeon racing. This 'pre paid birdage' was applied in our fed a few years ago. with this the fed has a guarenteed income per race. ours this year is £100 with 20 free birds. and 35p a bird there after.

[PIGEON_MAN]

To me this is o.k. if the members are in the position to be able to pay the £143 up front,what i cant understand though is how can something like this be voted on at the A.G.M.when it was not even on the agenda it certainly wouldn,t have been aloud in our fed.Perhaps someone from the fife fed can enlighten us on that.

[THE FIFER]

YES BUT WITH THE FIFE FED ITS £143 PLUS CLUB PLUS SHU, AT THE MOMENT FOR MY CLUB £195. AND NO LIMIT OF BIRDS SO THE SMALL TEAM MAN PAYING FOR THE BIG TEAM MAN, ALSO THIS WAS NEVER ON THE AGENDA, SO ONLY THOSE THAT HAD THE PROPOSAL IN NEW ABOUT IT, ALSO SOME CLUBS HAVE TO FERRY WE USED TOP GET 2p A BIRD NOW WE HAVE TO PAY OUR OWN, the £143 is made up of £20 for fees and and £123 for 13 club races open races (the ones which lost money) are still to be paid for, also partners pay £40 membership so theirs is £163, plus club and shu. a lot of money for pensioners and fanciers not working,

[PIGEON_MAN]

As i say archie it,s o.k. if you can afford to pay £195 up front but i guess some will find it difficult,surely this cant go through if it wasn,t on the agenda,it should of been sent out to the clubs to discuss first then had another meeting for it to be voted on.

[THE FIFER]

To me this is o.k. if the members are in the position to be able to pay the £143 up front,what i cant understand though is how can something like this be voted on at the A.G.M.when it was not even on the agenda it certainly wouldn,t have been aloud in our fed.Perhaps someone from the fife fed can enlighten us on that.

 

the only thing on the agenda was FEDERATION FINANCE: discuss federation financial position in view of auditors report, which gave no indication of any proposals  it finnished up there were 2 proposals in, but they were not on the agenda, and they took another from the hall, so 3 proposals, and the way it was voted on was, a show of hands for 1, a show of hands for 2, a show of hands for 3, the one with the most votes passed, nothing about the status quo, in my view those proposals should have been on the agenda for making such a big change, but also they should have went one against the other and the one left against status quo, if this had been on the agenda u could have possibly got more there, not only that is it fair that the members putting this proposal in new about it and to be there to vote for it, while most new nothing about it.

[Guest slugmonkey]

We have been doing this one cost for all for about 3 years now but we did it to increase the number of birds shipped we broke it down and it actually saves most members money and is also generating more money for the club a few who seldom shipped ( or do anything else for that matter ) balked at first but they came around we are shipping a higher number of birds with more money being generated for the club

[Guest]

I think paying that money up front makes life a bit difficult for the ordinary fancier.

 

Know that this is a Fed thing, but our Club runs a social club which pays our Club, Fed and SHU subscriptions, 10 free birds in every Fed race, the Club race prize money and additionally, prize money for three places in a 2-bird club, which is part of the same social club.

 

So instead of a big outlay at the beginning of the year, we pay just £13 per month every month to the Social Club, and its funds pays everything else up-front.

 

 

 

 

[THE FIFER]

We have been doing this one cost for all for about 3 years now but we did it to increase the number of birds shipped we broke it down and it actually saves most members money and is also generating more money for the club a few who seldom shipped ( or do anything else for that matter ) balked at first but they came around we are shipping a higher number of birds with more money being generated for the club

 

probably is ok and a good way but not to be brought in by surprise, and nothing on the agenda as this is a lot of money to be put at u the way it was, and surely any proposal going forward should finnish against the status quo, not a show of hands for a 1,2,3 and the highest wins never heard of that all my days. i do not say there is not something there it was the way it was done, and so big amount for the first time and giving no notice, of its intention.

 

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

we break ours up you pay club & union dues then old bird fees and then yb fees these must be paid by the season involved

[robinthfc]

Paying for birds up front is not allowed by RPRA. you are not allowed to make people pay for birds they do not send.

[THE FIFER]

Paying for birds up front is not allowed by RPRA. you are not allowed to make people pay for birds they do not send.

 

 

 

i agree with that 100%, not just thst if u are paying up front for 13 races the fed is taking ur money so surely they are contracting to give u 13 races, what happens if races are off, are they breaking their contract, should u get a refund, look at the interest they are also making off ur money in the bank.

 

 

[ALF]

YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE TO PAY THE SAME AS SOMEONE WHO SENDS 100 BIRDS IF YOU ONLY SEND 10 OR 20 EVERY WEEK! THINK OF THE EXTRA WEIGHT AND SPACE THE 80 BIRDS WOULD TAKE UP NOT TO MENTION THE EXTRA FUEL....

[robinthfc]

 

 

 

i agree with that 100%, not just thst if u are paying up front for 13 races the fed is taking ur money so surely they are contracting to give u 13 races, what happens if races are off, are they breaking their contract, should u get a refund, look at the interest they are also making off ur money in the bank.

 

 

 

Check with the SHU..you'll probably find the rule will be illegal. Apart from the fact its probably out of order because it wasnt on the Agenda

 

[ALF]

I THINK THE WEST OF SCOTLAND FED DID THIS WITH THEIR BIRDAGE LAST YEAR!!!

[PIGEON_MAN]

Paying for birds up front is not allowed by RPRA. you are not allowed to make people pay for birds they do not send.

 

I dont think you are right on this one,if the majority of your fed vote it in i think you will find that there is no rule in the rpra that prevents this.

[Tony C]

 

I dont think you are right on this one,if the majority of your fed vote it in i think you will find that there is no rule in the rpra that prevents this.

 

Tony there was a case around here where a couple of fanciers took it to the centre, they won the day, the union ruled that you cant charge someone for a service that they may not use.

[Guest]

our ruling is that the fed subs are £100 and for that you get 20 'free birds' per each inland race.

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

hats good is that

[robinthfc]

 

I dont think you are right on this one,if the majority of your fed vote it in i think you will find that there is no rule in the rpra that prevents this.

 

Happened to a club I was a member of, paid up front and had 10 free birds..it was ruled illegal by the RPRA.

Also a few years ago I read an article about a club that had a rule that every member had to buy a prize presentation ticket, that as ruled out of order as well.

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

Tony there was a case around here where a couple of fanciers took it to the centre, they won the day, the union ruled that you cant charge someone for a service that they may not use.

 

You are obviously right as you know about the case Tony but i do know of feds that are doing this and have been for some time,i guess if everyone is happy about it then there are no problems unless there is someone who is not happy then by the look of it the union would throw it out if challenged.

[sj irving jnr]

that was tryed by solway fed committee and was bombed out by the shu.

[JADE]

I think Aberdeen Fed did this last year but not sure how it turned out for them financially or if they are doing it again this year. It does seem strange that proposals were not on agenda but maybe because subs and birdage are  set at agm a written proposal is not needed. Cant see why shu could rule against this as many organisations give free birds to members who sell lottery tickets etc  

[THE FIFER]

I think Aberdeen Fed did this last year but not sure how it turned out for them financially or if they are doing it again this year. It does seem strange that proposals were not on agenda but maybe because subs and birdage are  set at agm a written proposal is not needed. Cant see why shu could rule against this as many organisations give free birds to members who sell lottery tickets etc  

 

yes birdage and fees are set at agm, but this was not just sorting the fees and cost of birdage, it changed the whole normal way in which members pay etc, and brining in paying wether you go to the race or not, so wasnt just the normal procedure was it, also they want the years money up front, in a way i would say this was changing the constitution,as you have always went to and paid for races u go to not races you dont, also u paid per birdage now u pay per loft, and no limit on birdage, so if u put 20 away and another puts 80 u pay the same. if u enter 6 races and another enters 16 u pay the same, so i do not think u can say its just the usual dealing with birdage and fees,

 

 

[peterh127]

No different to what happened with ETS. you were happy then so do not moan now .When it suits rules do not apply

[robinthfc]

 

yes birdage and fees are set at agm, but this was not just sorting the fees and cost of birdage, it changed the whole normal way in which members pay etc, and brining in paying wether you go to the race or not, so wasnt just the normal procedure was it, also they want the years money up front, in a way i would say this was changing the constitution,as you have always went to and paid for races u go to not races you dont, also u paid per birdage now u pay per loft, and no limit on birdage, so if u put 20 away and another puts 80 u pay the same. if u enter 6 races and another enters 16 u pay the same, so i do not think u can say its just the usual dealing with birdage and fees,

 

 

Usually birdage and fee's can only be decided after the balance sheet has been passed, because they have to take into account any loses made [if any] by the club the previous year and can change every year, so they can be decided at a general meeting after the AGM. But the subject should be circulated on an agenda to give members the chance of discussing it.