Mixxy Posted April 29, 2008 Report Posted April 29, 2008 when is a national not a national. seems i am wrong saying the NRCC is not a national.is it open to the whole nation?surely then it would be a national.i would'nt even say the NIPA is classed here as a national by many fanciers,apart from the ones selling birds of course. would you pay extra if it was defined a national. i think trading standards would love to look at things like this.
bewted Posted April 29, 2008 Report Posted April 29, 2008 i was allways to understand that the NRCC is not a national !!!!
Guest chrisss Posted April 29, 2008 Report Posted April 29, 2008 who decides what is a national,i would have thought that by definition a national would have to be open to everyone in that country,not just a club,only asking because i haven't a clue,however i would have thought that if you won a race from lerwick and you live london/south east you would feel that you won a national anyway!!!
THE FIFER Posted April 29, 2008 Report Posted April 29, 2008 I was always under the impression that the word national would mean you would have to include anyone from England Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland The NFC i think excepts all those as long as they are RPRA members same as the BBC and BICC As i said before i think now you are not allowed to use the word national unless it covers all these but the clubs that already had it were allowed to keep it NIPA might not be classed as a national mixxy but to win it must take some doing there isnt any club over here that gets anywhere near the sort of birdage that you are getting so you have to be a member of the RPRA to fly in the NFC, so thats the same as you have to be a member of the SHU to fly in the SNFC, so if you are under RPRA rules and use the word NATIONAL, you would have to be open really to all RPRA members ?????
ch pied Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 the NIPA are using the term NATIONAL as 2 or 3 club's south of the border have joined , and that don't make it a NATIONAL by any strech of the imagination ,
THE FIFER Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 I think so but personally i couldnt care less what union you belong to im looking at a good bird flying the distance not who you are with or who you are not with I think the problem would lie with the rules though as far as i can see SHU have different rules to the RPRA the NFC are governed by the RPRA rules and if there was an objection to the race by someone who wasnt a RPRA member what would happen then :-/ I agree with you 100%, if you are flying in a national that is under RPRA rules and you are not a member of the RPRA it could be a big problem, thats why to fly with the SNFC you have to be a member of the SHU, as thats the rules they fly under, and to me this makes sense,
rembrant2coo Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 all snrpc members are members of the r.p.r.a. through the cumbria region , and most have joined the n.f.c. to be able to fly in the saintes race , some have even joined the r.p.r.a. from the other national here in scotland ,to race in the saintes race so i see this as a success , i hope so, the members have put up quite a bit of money for this race
Roland Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 Most so - called 'Nationals' are obviously just for 'Areas' and extended to allow fodder in to help of load their coffers. Then say the MNFC, Obviously very limited in the true sence of the word. The reality means that birds sell better, and positioned' get to be a well known name.
Merlin Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 The National means of the Nation,so obviously would have to be open too ALL of the that Nation to qualify,anything else is just a play on words.
RoryTheRed Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 IMHO only races open to their respective countries are NATIONALS, the rest are CLASSICS! NRCC is a classic, BBC is a classic, MNFC is a classic etc etc. Pigeon dealers abuse the word NATIONAL, end of story.
rembrant2coo Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 The National means of the Nation,so obviously would have to be open too ALL of the that Nation to qualify,anything else is just a play on words. I would assume then Merlin that Scotland being a Nation , we will qualify under your estimation ,and although theres two Nationals in Scotland it was only politics that divided the Nation , or there would just be one. (SCOTLAND will always be a NATION )
timbarra Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 when is a national not a national. seems i am wrong saying the NRCC is not a national.is it open to the whole nation?surely then it would be a national.i would'nt even say the NIPA is classed here as a national by many fanciers,apart from the ones selling birds of course. would you pay extra if it was defined a national. i think trading standards would love to look at things like this. NRCC is not a national, it does not have national in its title or is open to the whole nation. self explanitary. mixxy is right
joe61 Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 a national is what it means open to the nation and any club with national in it name should allow any loft in the uk to compete only the NFC is a national oh happy days
THE FIFER Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 I would assume then Merlin that Scotland being a Nation , we will qualify under your estimation ,and although theres two Nationals in Scotland it was only politics that divided the Nation , or there would just be one. (SCOTLAND will always be a NATION ) its politics which run nations and countries , thats why the people who run them are called politicians, ;D ;D
Merlin Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 I would assume then Merlin that Scotland being a Nation , we will qualify under your estimation ,and although theres two Nationals in Scotland it was only politics that divided the Nation , or there would just be one. (SCOTLAND will always be a NATION ) In my estimation you may have as many Nationals as you wish ie any direction ,providing the criteria is met,this being its open for membership and participation,to all members of the Country/Nation,no radius only its borders being its radius.
DOVEScot Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 Basically you can have as much nationals as you like, open to all members that are affiliated to group only, where anyone can join as long as you must abide by the rules and fill all the criteria of joining that are stated in their constitutions , therfore open to the nation. Pigeons are only one of numerous examples where it happens
Castleview Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 Considering the NFC is supposed to be National, there's not many race points in the UK, they all seem to be 'International' being that the 2008 race programme is mainly all France. Shouldn't it be called the International Flying Club. I'd love to have a go at National but unfortunately we cannot drive all the way to Sheffield to mark (talking in the future here) Why don't they open more marking stations? Perhaps when a National race is due a club offers to mark for them - if there are national members of course.
Guest chrisss Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 have english north road fyers got a "national"?
joe61 Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 have english north road fyers got a "national"? yes indeed its called the abbey oh happy days
Guest chrisss Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 yes indeed its called the abbey oh happy days thank you for your stunning contribution to this thread
REDCHEQHEN Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 yes indeed its called the abbey oh happy days abbey dropped the'national' from its name - its now spanish
PIGEON_MAN Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 Considering the NFC is supposed to be National, there's not many race points in the UK, they all seem to be 'International' being that the 2008 race programme is mainly all France. Shouldn't it be called the International Flying Club. I'd love to have a go at National but unfortunately we cannot drive all the way to Sheffield to mark (talking in the future here) Why don't they open more marking stations? Perhaps when a National race is due a club offers to mark for them - if there are national members of course. What about the marking station at Alveley near Kiddiminster cant be that many miles from you,or the one at Crewe been there many times,must be twice as far for me.
Guest Vic Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 abbey dropped the'national' from its name - its now spanish Yes! but we will always have the Grand National!
DUBLINFLYER Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 In my estimation you may have as many Nationals as you wish ie any direction ,providing the criteria is met,this being its open for membership and participation,to all members of the Country/Nation,no radius only its borders being its radius. yes but is it not fair to say that some "nationals" have rules to say that when competing that you must be measured over a certain distance so to make it a fair race.... i.e. you could not compete if a fancier who flies a distance of say 280miles compared to a fancier that is only measured 60miles to me this would be deemed to be unfair an this is why we need rules an regulations so it just wouldnt be visible to join a "national" of this sort! certainly i wouldnt join it : :-/
jimmy white Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 when is a national not a national. seems i am wrong saying the NRCC is not a national.is it open to the whole nation?surely then it would be a national.i would'nt even say the NIPA is classed here as a national by many fanciers,apart from the ones selling birds of course. would you pay extra if it was defined a national. i think trading standards would love to look at things like this. i would assume the nrcc is not a national ,,as its letters suggest , its a championship club, a national , should be the nation .ie scot eng, n ireland wales ,,,,,but with such big distance differance between longest and shortest fliers , defining the best bird is not neccesary the winner
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