Multiple Clockings

[dazza]

Earlier this year i had six pigeons together, obeying the club rules i only clocked 2. They finished 1st & 2nd fed so should have taken 1st six in fed which was annoying, but it is more important to keep the club afloat, even if the result is not a true indication of the real result.

[tarzan]

pigeon racing is a very competative hobby,thats why we have races best birds against best birds ,thousands spent on the best birds available to race the challenge to win the race not only against your fellow club members but against everyone in the federation combine etc .the man who shows dedication day in day out to condition motivate his pigeons against members who arnt intrested in looking after there birds ,are normally held back by the majority of these fanciers when it comes to voting be it on prizes gained etc, thats the difference of a good fancier or a poor fancier someone who can do it week in week out and not with basket loads of pigeons ,the prize distributionin in many clubs as killed many clubs lost many fanciers because the cannot or do not want to challenge the top fanciers in the club, this also applies when good fanciers apply to join clubs there more or less always turned down ,we all keep pigeons for a hobby every bird entered into a race has the chance to win it thats why when the fanciers who you say only keep them and send them as a hobby always have there clock set .this is not only a club problem you see it in federations when one club constantly dominates a federation .not all fanciers have the oppertunity to fly in national classic races through work or sheer distances or costs involved to travel to enter national or classic races .most fanciers bred and butter is club and federation racing week in week out thats what drives many fanciers on to win the club and hopefully win the federation .

[gangster]

id like 2 add that the n-west has now thereown marking station for the classics thanks to budgie cranthorne as he resides in middleton..manchester so along with there respective committees have opened the doors to more fliers taking part hopefully in years 2 come...

[tarzan]

Earlier this year i had six pigeons together, obeying the club rules i only clocked 2. They finished 1st & 2nd fed so should have taken 1st six in fed which was annoying, but it is more important to keep the club afloat, even if the result is not a true indication of the real result.

 

outstanding flying ,well done great flying by anyones standards but i bet you didnt get the six birds by luck ,sheer dedication and hard work will have brought them birds home first.well done

 

 

[Guest shadow]

It was a pain when you had to do 14 birds when 6 or 7 were not in the results but the fanciers insisted they wanted them read because they were in the clock in the end as being secretary I used to read the first 6 and left the others for them to work out they soon stopped

[DUBLINFLYER]

if they pays there monies there entitled to take the positions ,whats the point in coming second third for a piece of card if these fanciers have got there birds home ,this is de-valueing the prize so the bird thats third would normally be 19th posistion .thats sportsmanship at its best if your beaten by better birds and fanciers accept it and enjoy your birds regardless if they win or not ,fanciers who cannot rise to the challenge of beating the top fanciers normally leave the sport under any excuse anyay .someone as to be top and someone as to be bottom.its always a good man who can shake the hands of a winner and they dont become winners without hard work and dedication to there birds .

 

enjoy your pigeons

 

couldn't of said it better myself tarzan...... i would like to know how good or how bad my birds perform every week regardless, if the are good then happy days and if they are bad then better birds/system are required.... these men take racing as it should be an thats serious, i personally do as i spend all my time preparing them for the season and i for 1 would like to know if i was 18th every week i bet the men who pulled out of the club would not be no where near as dedicated as the men who are at the top in the club... for god sake lads get up on get on with and raise your game, remember "2nd is the 1st loser"

[Guest spin cycle]

not sure where you are coming from tarzan.....in dazza's position would you have clocked all 6...risking your club ? also if flyers cannot compete in classic/national races is that an excuse for trying to kill their own club ?

[tarzan]

not sure where you are coming from tarzan.....in dazza's position would you have clocked all 6...risking your club ? also if flyers cannot compete in classic/national races is that an excuse for trying to kill their own club ?

 

tell me why if he had clocked all six birds is he risking the club ,tells me this lad as put time effort into bringing the best out of his pigeons to gain such success,which is only recognised by winnig the top two in the federation and not the top six which in anyones book is a fantastic result .thats the trouble many fanciers in clubs gain posistions they would never get by restraints on how many prizes can be claimed ,ive seen many fanciers selling birds with positions they would never have won week in week out without restraints on prizes gained but i bet these same fanciers dont tell the prospective buyers of these birds there birds would not have gained that prize if so and so had clocked all his birds .

 

sorry but if a fancier beats me i try harder the week after ,

[Guest spin cycle]

 

tell me why if he had clocked all six birds is he risking the club ,tells me this lad as put time effort into bringing the best out of his pigeons to gain such success,which is only recognised by winnig the top two in the federation and not the top six which in anyones book is a fantastic result .thats the trouble many fanciers in clubs gain posistions they would never get by restraints on how many prizes can be claimed ,ive seen many fanciers selling birds with positions they would never have won week in week out without restraints on prizes gained but i bet these same fanciers dont tell the prospective buyers of these birds there birds would not have gained that prize if so and so had clocked all his birds .

 

sorry but if a fancier beats me i try harder the week after ,

 

i think the original point of this thread awnsers that question...and what about the second question in my last post ?

[tarzan]

sorry but the answer to killing clubs ,i believe over the last thirty years more damaged has been done by fanciers who cannot rise to the challenge and want prizes for sending there birds want prizes shared around members if they put the effort in or not ,is that not killing membership its like a fair days pay for a fairs day work ,some get promoted some do not thats life ,thats what makes olympic winners dedication and hard work same in any hobby or sport ,i do not see the premier league asking alex ferguson to stop winning matches because no one can beat them sorry not a man united fan) but you got to admire the man he makes winners like him or not .

 

so what you are saying is if he takes the top six in the club ,members leave in droves because they do not have the disire or knowledge to beat the man .

 

THATS PIGEON RACING AT ITS BEST SPORTSMANSHIP I THINK THEY CALL IT .

[Roland]

Well, if the first 20 were before mine... and like most others, I wouldn't bother to stay, let alone bother to have them read.

[Guest spin cycle]

the football analogy is a good one...but man utd plays teams week in / out that , in general are of a standard equal or aspiring to be as good.  they don't play the team just promoted from the conference ( cup games apart ). don't get me wrong i'm pleased for dazza and i hope he is pleased (but i did ask what you would do). i would love to fly in a large club and it's fine for flyers to clock as many as they like in such circumstances. it's also fine to clock as many as you like in small clubs...but when the club folds don't whine when the next club you apply to tries to protect itself. back to work for me ...so i hope we can agree to differ , after all  i am listening so there is no need to shout.

[dazza]

Tarzan i agree with you on the whole and i too would try my hardest to improve my performances and i would take no satisfaction from getting a position unjustly.

 

Believe me to see such a great performance go unrecognised is hard to take as on the day the velocities were in the 1200's and i am last drop and central in the fed, but if only clocking 2 keeps the club going i will continue to do so.

 

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

I guess I am lucky we have a core group of about 10 flyers that when you beat them from the first 6 positions they go home, get mad, and come back with 70 birds and try to shove them up your #&^* we have had a guy in our club send 17 and take the first 16 positions the next week his best was 36th we had another member send 60 and try to take the 1st 50 positions I think they got 38 positions of the top 50 I personally more than doubled the points of the 2nd place loft for old bird loft of the year but more importantly I took another fancier out of the Presidents Cup 2 or 3 members banded against me in YBs last year so I went after them in OBs and gave a little payback and had one of if not the best bird in the NATION in the process our club is little but we are VERY competitive we had members split and form their OWN club and we have said good riddance, these guys wanna race 6 birds and only go 200 miles we had 4 x 500 and 2 x 600 and and a whole slew of 2s, 3s, and 4s furthermore members in our club are constantly doing well with their birds all over the planet

I guess I just dont have any sympathy for a bunch of crybabys, those guys that formed their own club hauled birds for some guys in another city and guess what , yep thats right they got POUNDED!!!!! we had another weekend that we raced a 600 we had 10% of the birds home on the day these guys were on the same course the same day and had 75% losses from 400 miles where we had 4 birds lost from over 100 on a 600 mile race

some people shouldnt race pigeons they should stick to rollers or canaries

 

P.S. Roland and Tarzan you guys can fly in my club anytime !!

 

P.S.S. I have said it before and I will say it again " In any sport there are two types of competitors, those that dominate and those that try to rule them out "

[just ask me]

i think a fanicer should be allowed to clock in as many birds as he likes take if u have the best flyer in your club is also the best flyer in the fed and if cut him down to clocking 2 3 birds wouldent be fair really what can be done is prize money can be given out per loft also first 3 birds from fanicer in club result but if he has 9 birds clocked the nine birds should should go to fed result as the fed result at least should be a true result of the day

[Roland]

Will say that I am 100% positive when saying that 95% 'Mobb Flyers' that loves to clock everything in before the next one does tend to be the biggest cry baby when it's done to him.

Again everyone sent isn't neccate for clocking.

Sent last two weeks not taking clock home.... Just needed the miles under their wings.

So two tosss, two 100 milers and into thurso. Yes I will take my clock  back with me Friday and wait till they are released with bated breathe. Just two birds clocked though in each club regardless. - have two young men in one club thrilled too bits when 3rd and 4th from Bergerac when teenagers, great flyers now and there every week seding ... I won the club by 1 hours, and 2 was 10 hours in front ... have a few never went in the clock... Feel I did some good and certainlt no harm, and what's more is that THEY Still don't, or ever will know.

Doesn't it make you laugh to see a fancier, say clocking in 2 - 4 good decent birds say around the 11 ypm mark, down to 870ypm even, and knowing many others have their bulk home still clocking around the 550ypm mark! No prize money left, not in the first thousand or so by a long chalk, and still waiting to clock more in hours later... better off going up the pub and talking silly 'Tavern Talk' with the experts I reckon ;D

[hotrod]

just one point to the boys who time in lots of birds. REMEMBER  the secretary who does the result he gets a pitance £ for working all the velocities  out and doing race reports while you lot are spending time with your birds .I know i was that secretary a few years ago

[ALF]

IN MY OWN CLUB I PUT FORWARD A PROPOSAL LAST YEAR THAT THE 1ST 10 OR SO PIGEONS GET DONE IN THE RESULT AND THEN ONLY POOLERS OR FED DOOS IF AN OPEN/DUPLICATION RACE BUT EVERY MEMBER HAS TO MARK HIS POOLERS OR NOMS ON THE ETS PRINT OUT SHEET AS I DONT WANT MY SECRETARY PISSED OFF DOING A CLUB RESULT WITH A FEW HUNDERED BIRDS ON IT

[Bad Trapper]

I put this post on to see what flyers think in general, what actually got my back up last weekend was that for the first time this season I clocked 5 in (usually a couple) as I thought I was in with a shout for once(which I was) the comment I had from some of the other flyers was that I had crossed over to the dark side with the weekly fed toppers I just wanted a second opinion from everyone on the forum which has proved an emotive subject. Thanks for all the replies

[Roland]

At days end I guess it's down to what you feel is acceptable and what you expect. You will put what you 'Feel is cosha' and if others get up your wicke, then I guess one does like the rest have done since the year of dot. Put up with it, do it yourselve or pack the sport in! Guess most in the end do the later for whatever reason.

[Lennut Tar]

At days end I guess it's down to what you feel is acceptable and what you expect. You will put what you 'Feel is cosha' and if others get up your wicke, then I guess one does like the rest have done since the year of dot. Put up with it, do it yourselve or pack the sport in! Guess most in the end do the later for whatever reason.

 

A bit of a tricky question   ;) this one to answer here. No one solution will suit everyone I'm afraid, "My view is". One must decide what is best in the overall picture etc for our sport, or what comes first. The club, the flyer or the pigeon & with out a doubt in my view it's the club every time   & what's best for it in general & what is acceptable to the majority of it's members on race day. Now !!!!!!!! I'm about to upset some of you here  ;D ;D ;D but to me ??????? all you flyers that wish to have mutable clocking etc, are just on a big ego trip   :) . Because no way known in my view, are you at all concerned about the best thing for your club or it's future or your other members etc. "Sorry"  but you must call a spade a spade in my view.

PS. & that's coming from someone, who has been quite happy to clock 1 or 2 pigeons at the most in any race etc for 50 odd years & I have no regrets what so ever, in that situation as it is here.

Enjoy.  

 

 

[just ask me]

i can understand pll geting mad when pll are clocking in way behind hours even but if a man has birds done right and he gets for argement sake 12 birds in 10 mins or so i think he should clock them all as they might all show in the fed result if hes lucky the club postions can be cut down to the members top 3 birds for result and what i feel is resonable if there is top 3 prizes in a club the top 3 lofts the money or what ever but i feel a fanicer should clock his birds if he feels they are in the result and to stop it a ruleing can be mad in your club  top 20 postions only or top 10

[Guest Paulo]

Get some better pigeons then and try and beat the men who are clocking the first 18 on. I wouldn't want a prize if I and my birds hadn't earnt it. Last weekend I sent 7 birds to rivenhall and clocked my first hen on at 1453, and the rest in the next five minutes. I give overfly away to every other member in the club and it was a strong west wind favouring the fanciers who fly in the other bit of the club. I beat the three other lofts on our set of allotments by 5 minutes and only man who had a bird at the same time as me (who I beat on overfly) won his club (different club from ours) with that bird and is a top flyer in the fed.

 

So I thought I might have a chance for a chalk for a change as have only got a 1st club and 5th fed so far with this being my first season flying old birds and the birds are on natural. Went up to the club house to find our local mob flyer (sent 50 birds) who has four men two of who are unemployed helping in his partnership and is very rich had took 3 positions 1st, 2nd and 3rd. One of the other guys had won 4th which was fair play as it had mob men totally furious as he hadn't gone down the card. This left me with out a place in the club which was a bit disappointing as he had his first bird on at 1449 so there wasn't a huge gap between them.

 

These things happen in war though so I took it on the chin and my clock was read off for a fed postion as the fed winner was only on at 1448. Saw the secretary last night and I missed out on 10th fed by 2 seconds and as our fed only has 10 postions (with around 1500 - 2000 birds going most weeks) I won't get any points.

 

Still what can you do? You just have to try and up your level of play a bit and not get downhearted its hard to win with only a few birds againt mob flyers but not impossible.

 

On saying that I recommend a 20 bird limit would sort the mob men out in most clubs and if they still won all you could do is not complain and try your best to stuff them.

[Wiley]

myself i agree with multiple clockings, its the only way you can improve as fanciers in my own opinion, id prefere multiple clockings, if a geezer has 8 before me id prefere to know that, then him saying had 6 drop together, but could only time in 2! They pay there money to send there birds so they have the right to time them in, and if 6 of em beat you, so be it, it makes you try that bit harder, and builds up the incentive of every sport, to be competitive and be the absolute best, and through selection if you have the best fliers in your federation or club doing so timing in many, you can work out your best birds, by either ruthless selection, by only picking the ones that beat his or there birds, or by buying in a different family of birds to beat the fancier, we dont have no mob men in our club as we have a 20 bird limit, sorry just my own personaly opinions of multiple clocking,

[just ask me]

well done lads for the last 2 posts i agree with everything that u say its just that im travelling out of my town about 45 mile to get my birds marked as i was winning more than my fair share its just i think if the method i said abovee was in place i reckon id still be in a club in my town maybe