ets fooling/cheating

[steve]

something i was told regards fooling/cheating the ets  system

(i was told it could be done this way)

if you remove the registered ring from the bird and replace with an unregistered ring

on the day of marking the birds could you put the registered ring up your sleeve

so when you  scan the bird with the unregistered ring on

the scanner picks up the ring up your sleeve  

(surley you carnt put your own birds through anyway)

i dont no anything about the ets at all (i dont even race birds)

but when i was told this could be done i found it hard to belive

surley there would be an error come up on the system

 

i just carnt see it being so easy to fool/cheat the system

 

[Guest valiant]

you cant put your own birds through .

[steve]

i didnt think you could

but would it work if you could

[Guest valiant]

the scanner would not pick it up it has to be placed in the scanner.

[just ask me]

i think we have some ets doubters out there and they try to put out a few rumours to try scrare pll ths would work but u have to ask what the clock and setting commite are doing allowing pll put there own birds though what ever system u use it wont be perfect but if there were ways of cheating the system its in belgum long enough im sure we would have herad something

[Guest 67ghirl]

As far as I am aware the scanner informs of an unregistered ring if it detects it!

[sapper756]

To date, I have never heard of anyone cheating using ETS, however have heard of and witnessed myself, people cheating using race rubbers :-/ Once again, it,s anti ETS attempting to damage it,s use, I have used it for 3 years now, and would not want to return to conventional timing All the best for 2009 whichever clock you choose to use

 

Anyway, irrespective if you have a ring UP YER SLEEVE, the scanner will read the ring on the birds foot as it is placed in front of it, and it would read RING NOT REGISTERED

[Guest]

To date, I have never heard of anyone cheating using ETS, however have heard of and witnessed myself, people cheating using race rubbers :-/ Once again, it,s anti ETS attempting to damage it,s use, I have used it for 3 years now, and would not want to return to conventional timing All the best for 2009 whichever clock you choose to use

 

Anyway, irrespective if you have a ring UP YER SLEEVE, the scanner will read the ring on the birds foot as it is placed in front of it, and it would read RING NOT REGISTERED

 

name and shame

[sapper756]

 

name and shame

 

I did at the time

[Michael J Burden]

Yes this is true and I was told this by Bricon before ETS was allowed in the UK. Their marking system is so designed to prevent this taking place. All you need is a ring which is defunct, put it on a bird, mark your own bird while having the actual ring in your hand. Slight of hand and hey presto it registers but you now have the ring in your pocket.

 

Simple solution to this is follow the rules and never allow a member to mark their own birds. I accept that in these times of smaller clubs it goes on but wait until you top the fed and watch the complaints go in.

 

As has been said rubbering has its problems too.

 

The conclusion is follow the rules and be vigulant at marking, no body else will police it except you!

[Michael J Burden]

Even easier than slight of hand, cut up some rings and find the chip, the chip registered to the bird. Put a plaster on your finger with the chip under it. I am sure will work everytime you get that cheat marking their own birds.

[Guest]

Have no doubt someone at some time will attempt to beat the system. Vigilance is the key. Eventually it will be found out

[Guest]

things like this can only happen when rules are not seen to at marking and you have to be a cheat to do it doesnt matter if its ets or clock just got to guard against it whatever timing device is bieng used and iam dead against ets but its in now so just keep a close eye on All race marking and make it very hard for cheating to take place

[OLDYELLOW]

people have been rubbing fingers for years was shown it first time i brought up the subject of cheating nothing is 100% if your birds cant win and you have to cheat to do so , then pack up this isnt the sport for you , i would say 99% of pigeon men are honest sportsman watch the birds been basketed if you have any objections to whos marking them , make it clear there and then in a gentlymanly way . I think in fairness you have been fed rubbish by the anti ETS brigade there frightened you'l beat them everyweek , you have to get them home 1st to win clocks will still clock winners but multiple placements are more probable due to the speed of clocking with an ETS rather than manual clock

[Guest Paulo]

Any system that involves electronics can be cloned or hacked!!!

 

Fact!!!!

 

People can hack into the US Militarys Computer Systems so they can hack a pigeon clock!

[Roland]

To date, I have never heard of anyone cheating using ETS,

Yes has happened quite a bit actually. Was a storm in fact just a couple of seasons ago in Belgium where apparently it was rife.

Also have heard a few ways that Did / May have worked.

Of course the Majority aren't looking to cheat, and very few on the Ground Level would be interested in cheating at club level.

A certain 'Remote Control' was sworn by ... and of course Boo Hooed via many or the 'Pro brigade that didn't, or didn't want to accept it.

But in reality nothing is fool prove, and where there's a will there's a way! The makers just have to keep adrift and keep up dating the ET clocks, as simple as that!

 

[Roland]

Was - in the RPRA commisioned findings, where it was quite feesible, and was done where a 'Dead Bird' could win a race.

Simple really, but like I say, most clubs, concerns get wise sooner than later in most cases.

They have quite a bit of teething now done, and most have constantly been suprised and then had to update. That is surely a fact of life in every walk of life.

the real worry is when we state silly reasons and Why certain people spout such things! That is simply inviting trouble. Regardless of 'Pro or Anti, when we get such statement as

To date, I have never heard of anyone cheating using ETS, however have heard of and witnessed myself, people cheating using race rubbers  Once again, it,s anti ETS attempting to damage it,s use, I have used it for 3 years now, and would not want to return to conventional timing  All the best for 2009 whichever clock you choose to use ... ets, sorry Sapper that is when the door is left a jar.

It will be beaten and some will cheat, sure as eggs are eggs... Let's just hope that club members, and the Markers etc. stay vigalent and alway have one eye out for anything untoward.

As of yet it would take TWO in Cahoots, or a laxidaical club, to cheat.

[DOVEScot]

Any system that involves electronics can be cloned or hacked!!!

 

Fact!!!!

 

People can hack into the US Militarys Computer Systems so they can hack a pigeon clock!

 

Yep, if it involves humans and electronics then yes it is open to anything, if they want it hard enough then there are people out their willing to do it. Luckily it is a very tiny minority that can and want to do it

Now if I could hack into the world banking system and transfer everyone a few thousand pounds into their accounts I am sure the minority would be reversed ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Paulo]

 

Yep, if it involves humans and electronics then yes it is open to anything, if they want it hard enough then there are people out their willing to do it. Luckily it is a very tiny minority that can and want to do it

Now if I could hack into the world banking system and transfer everyone a few thousand pounds into their accounts I am sure the minority would be reversed ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

get me a few million I'll buy some koopmans or some pigeons off andrew

 

 

 

[Guest Paulo]

 

If you let anyone mark or put through their own birds you break RPRA rule 188 but then im not sure how these small clubs get away with it ive known clubs where they have only had a couple of members sending  :-/

 

In our club noone marks their own birds but the amal has a rule where if you have too many baskets on you get charged so after birds are marked people have to get birds out of baskets to put a baslket on or take one off and how in that situtation do you ensure noones handling their own birds after they have been marked!

 

Interesting situtation it does my head in as well cause the birds are getting more stressed and their feathers ruffled

[DOVEScot]

 

 

get me a few million I'll buy some koopmans or some pigeons off andrew

 

 

 

Aye just join the queue, I must warn the last time I heard it was in Perth and no not Scotland  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest j.bamling]

what would happen if you registered 2 rings for one bird you can say the first ones not working then take another blank ring down and register that one again then you could have 2 rings for one bird ?

just a quiery i had

any thoughts ?

[Michael J Burden]

what would happen if you registered 2 rings for one bird you can say the first ones not working then take another blank ring down and register that one again then you could have 2 rings for one bird ?

just a quiery i had

any thoughts ?

 

The ring i thought when marked had a code added at marking which then coresponded at arrival at the race end.

[maverick]

what would happen if you registered 2 rings for one bird you can say the first ones not working then take another blank ring down and register that one again then you could have 2 rings for one bird ?

just a quiery i had

any thoughts ?

 

CANT HAPPEN  the first ring is  has to be deacctivated before you can reg another ring on the bird

[Guest j.bamling]

cheers lads thats cleared my mind up !!!