snfc agm

[andy]

make sec post part tjme ,9000 saved for a start

 

Agree!!

[jock3]

look at joint convey'n contract phone the savings could be ammense

[Delboy]

make sec post part tjme ,9000 saved for a start[/quot

 

18 Grand for 6 or 7 races, a dinner / presentation, and organising a few meetings. Good money for anybody. Wonder what the SNRPC secretary gets ??

[budgie]

Lets change the topic slightly and which might help to stop the rot is the crazy resolution put up by the management committee race programme for 2009.How many pigeons do you think you are going to need to compete and the costs associated with training /feeding/sending and pooling.Its geared up for ceratin sections/prevailing west winds and we should seriously think about reducing the number of races and consider Wanstead Flats/Falaise/Rennes and Nantes (or Tours.)With dwindling membership ,not enough pigeons going around and the escalating costs we are heading for  Distress and Destruction. :(

[The Grass Cutter]

I am led to believe the SNRC secretary has a salary of £ 3000. I agree with Jock 3 he is on the right track to save money for the SNFC.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Very disapointed of the loss on the balance sheet especially after the subs and birdage increases last year that brought in £10,000+ yet we are still running at a £9,000 loss, drastic action is required on many expenses.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Lets change the topic slightly and which might help to stop the rot is the crazy resolution put up by the management committee race programme for 2009.How many pigeons do you think you are going to need to compete and the costs associated with training /feeding/sending and pooling.Its geared up for ceratin sections/prevailing west winds and we should seriously think about reducing the number of races and consider Wanstead Flats/Falaise/Rennes and Nantes (or Tours.)With dwindling membership ,not enough pigeons going around and the escalating costs we are heading for  Distress and Destruction. :(

 

To a certain extent you may be correct, but you and i both know it's a long time to the following years racing that is why i do not see a problem with having 4 channel races providing the are seperated by a reasonable time between the first and last race. Inland races - most federations are now duplicating there pigeons with the national which is great but the downside is that if the 2 inland races are bad races then there is a big knock on effect that takes place on the channel races because all the eggs have been placed in the one baskett so to speak.

 

Gareth

 

 

[Novice]

Hopefully one saving which will be on the cards for all organisations is that 2009 fuel costs should be less than 2008

[JADE]

over £5000 for race marking and clock committee expenses. i`ve marked birds and read clocks but have never asked for nor would i expect payment. somebodys raking it in!!!

[budgie]

make sec post part tjme ,9000 saved for a start[/quot

 

18 Grand for 6 or 7 races, a dinner / presentation, and organising a few meetings. Good money for anybody. Wonder what the SNRPC secretary gets ??

Dellboy

On reviewing the Secretarys Salary would you have any idea as to the hours required to fullfill and carry out these duties.I belive the salary should be based per entry which i would pitch at 1p and the final salary for 2008 would have been £13519 Gross and no expenses.Take away the Inland Races (Fed) and you would have a final salary of £5843  which is not bad for five races. and remember the role is after all only part time.

 

 

[Guest stevie-b]

its time to take the snfc in to the 21st century need more people at agm and get rid o the top table more workers needed that has the nationals intrest at heart and no there pockets

[budgie]

over £5000 for race marking and clock committee expenses. i`ve marked birds and read clocks but have never asked for nor would i expect payment. somebodys raking it in!!!

And lets not forget the loss of £2019 for the Dinner and Presentation.

 

 

[Delboy]

Dellboy

On reviewing the Secretarys Salary would you have any idea as to the hours required to fullfill and carry out these duties.I belive the salary should be based per entry which i would pitch at 1p and the final salary for 2008 would have been £13519 Gross and no expenses.Take away the Inland Races (Fed) and you would have a final salary of £5843  which is not bad for five races. and remember the role is after all only part time.

 

 

You must mean £1 and not 1 pence. I agree with you that this would be a better way to work out secretarys salary but I would go 20% less, which is 80 pence for every bird entered.This would be £10815.20

[budgie]

It is a sad   day when the total birdage for our Main races (3571) Alencon/Tours and Falaise is some 260 birds less than the Inland National and with the economy on its knees it can only be worse in 2009.

Time will tell.

[budgie]

 

You must mean £1 and not 1 pence. I agree with you that this would be a better way to work out secretarys salary but I would go 20% less, which is 80 pence for every bird entered.This would be £10815.20

Apologize Derek my mistake and reviewing your comments i would go with 80p.

Take care.

 

 

[Delboy]

The problem is the secretarys wages are decided at a committee meeting.I think his salary has increased by over £2000 in the last 2 years.The members dont have a say , which I totally disagree with

[The Grass Cutter]

Its great to see people are starting to realise changes must be made in the SNFC.

Great comments from Stevie b, Budgie, JADE, Dellboy, Jock3 and others. Budgie,s comment on the loss of £2019 for the Dinner & Presentation is relevant, when you take into consideration most people at the Dinner are collecting some type of award and they would be willing to pay the price of a ticket which should have been set to cover most of the costs.

The Officials should have the numbers of award winners therefore it should not be difficult.

[Guest]

over £5000 for race marking and clock committee expenses. i`ve marked birds and read clocks but have never asked for nor would i expect payment. somebodys raking it in!!!

who?

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

And lets not forget the loss of £2019 for the Dinner and Presentation.

 

 

And that was with a great turn of 200 who were jammed together like sardines.

 

 

[Guest 67ghirl]

 

 

And that was with a great turn of 200 who were jammed together like sardines.

 

 

And that was with a Wee Shortie opposite you   lol

 

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

 

And that was with a great turn of 200 who were jammed together like sardines.

 

 

And that was with a Wee Shortie opposite you   lol

 

 

A good looking wee shortie at that ;) ;D.lol

 

 

[Guest 67ghirl]

:B

[Delboy]

Heard there was a meeting last night.What happened, I wonder?

[Guest IB]

No apologies for stating the obvious, if you wish to make savings you first look at where the major losses are occurring, not piddlin figures like the Secy salary, which to me anyhow if you are hooked on that, looks pretty like you're following another agenda.

 

Look no further than the channel races account. What are we doing wrong here, and how do we correct it? Spending £100,000 on geraldy transporters, like some would like, is also not the way to go, you need to down the transport costs, joint convoying with other organisations to shared race points, coupled with higher birdage charges and / or higher annual fees. Need to get real with the real cost of doing things in 21st century, and how to make available resources go further.

[Jumbo]

Why not try to get convoying with the Up North Combine, would reduce traval costs and have quite high birdage