Petition-support Karen James

[ChrisMaidment08]

if problems have been there since she started i would only be concerned as why now does she say anything what has been done affecting her in work  has she been passed over in work or told she will not be given free rain or is it conflict of intrest between new boss and her we willl never know will we

[Guest casbri]

well done karen its about time someone opened up i will support you all the way ..

[pjc]

Is it time to form a breakaway UK union that will act in the interest of its members with a democraticaly elected committee!

A few years ago some of the Nationals nearly did this!

If it happened and the majority of the membership wanted it then there would be no RPRA and the sport would be able to move forward and not continue to stand still!

Not all staff within the unions have dinosaur tendancys and there experience would benefit a new union without there hands being tied as they are now!

 

Phil

[ChrisMaidment08]

phil you would never get it only way i see it is to all demand meeting then remove all com and only put ones we select in power but as useual it will be but i only want to fly my birds

[pjc]

that will always be the problem Chris although there are members who would be prepared to take the jobs to work for the sport and not just a lot of freeloaders that we have now!

[OLDYELLOW]

its definately time to form a new union but as i said as a shadow union then when the new union has enough members then the new union could inform that the R.P.R.A membership is no longer needed , and no doubt about it there are many skills at The Reddings that could be utilised. But to get rid of a strong union with members backing it by paying there fees would be very hard as they would have the finances to continue , to form a shadow union by creating a membership first would be the correct way to procede as then it would have a strength to grow .

[pjc]

Does anybody think that the Council should be ellected by ballot each year?

All nominated members should be printed in the BHW with some background and the membership given the opportunity to vote for them either by post or online. This way at least the membership would have a better say in the running and if somebody didn't pull there weight or work for the benefit of the sport they can be voted out by the membership!

[ChrisMaidment08]

far simpler to put vote no confidance in present one and get rid of them now have few prepared to take there jobs then move forward into present day   to remove com of fed i beleave you need 70 members to demand extraexstodany meeting rpra who knows but could be worth try must be thousands fed up with rubbish there now

[tippler1]

that dose seam a good idea think we should beable to have a say in the running of the redding at least more would be done to help the sport

[ChrisMaidment08]

Does anybody think that the Council should be ellected by ballot each year?

All nominated members should be printed in the BHW with some background and the membership given the opportunity to vote for them either by post or online. This way at least the membership would have a better say in the running and if somebody didn't pull there weight or work for the benefit of the sport they can be voted out by the membership!

i can answer this phil yes it should be members not other numtys but haveing support soon dwindles when threats are given to stop you flying channel with our rings?????

 

[Guest IB]

I do not think this is anything to do with 'future of the sport', if the staff are employed by Council (as is the case in SHU) then it is a straight employer - employee issue. Karen isn't a little girl and the opening part of her post shows she well understands her position as an employee of RPRA and her contract obligations.

 

She says the staff aren't unionised so the best help that can be offered is specialist representation, because not only has she breached trust with her Employers, she is also in breach with both her current & new line manager, she has basically questioned their value. Bit of a pity since the new guy hasn't even had a chance to show he's got what it takes, and I'd be surprised if he will re-instate her given that..

 

If she had any complaint regarding non-compliance with Health & Safety it should have been put in writing to her line manager. If the outcome was unsatisfactory, she could have gone direct to H&SE. Neither Pigeonbasics nor PigeonChat can force compliance, can they? And if she was unhappy at not getting an interview (who is?) she could have asked for the reasons in writing.

 

Basically used 'future of the sport' thread to have a dig at her employers and boss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

one important thing i notice no member of rpra councle on pigeonsites wonder why

[OLDYELLOW]

i dont think any changes to the way the R.P.R.A is run will have any effect , it needs to be completely started again or they revert back to running it back in the ground

[pjc]

Agreed Oldyellow, disbanded and reformed in a transparent form with direct representation from the members and a committee anualy elected. There would clearly need to be, as there are now employed admin staff but all senior staff should be elected by the membership.

[OLDYELLOW]

Well i suppose you would need to clearly draw up goals that a new union would like to achieve , then create a membership , then elect deligates that are like minded .

[Pompey Mick]

To the vast majority of pigeon fanciers the RPRA is an organisation that keeps the ring register and calculates distances and loft locations, tasks which are done very effectively.

The Councillors come from the Regions, and how many of us are involved in the Regions.  I have been a fancier for 45 yrs, held Secretary, Treasurer and Clock Setter positions for most of my years (Assistant Secretary at 16), yet I have only ever attended a Region meeting once.

All these changes that are being asked for could be achieved if more fanciers attended and took an active part in the actual running of our association, but we don't.

It's very easy to sit at a computer but it takes a different kind of person to give up their Sunday afternoon and travel 50mls to sort out someone else's problem.

To be honest we just want to race our pigeons, and the RPRA supplies the infrastructure to achieve this expertly.

The only way I can forsee any dramatic change in RPRA policy is to get a forward thinking Pigeon Fancier in the post of General Manager which will require fundamental changes in the way the post is filled, and as this most recent 'Yes Man' is not a long term appointment (due to his age) perhaps the time has come to reconsider the recruitment policy.

[ChrisMaidment08]

if you are a person who wants change or to give time energy to change things why do you come up against election on region com  its not wanted you are not wanted

[Roland]

You know, comments here more than substantiate the 'Close Silly Season Stupidity'. Golly, whatever way you look at it, Karen was wrong, further was out of order. Regardless of what one wants / needs or desires. Not many would keep a job ANYWHERE for such a breach of trust. And here we are - well not me - crying out for heads to roll etc. Get real!

I feel Frank and IB have summed it up correctly. And forget about headless nameless people being voted in to look after your’ / our interests... That is what is suppose to  be happening NOW! This has been the case for yonks. Now do you know who those are that are really to blame? !!! Yes those that don't attend meetings, AGM’'s and regional meetings etc. and even CLUB meetings!. Yes I know, it is simpler to cry to a Mag / Rag or spout out futilely on a site.

Yet too many have tried to alter things, most very genuine, indeed the very genuine ones pack up altogether, finding it a waste of time and effort! and WHY... Because the MEMEBERS don't back them! Yes that is the pure and simple fact! Maybe, just maybe some on here and other sites might (who don't now) will attend and go to meetings! Will be a very minority I'd lay money on it! Who knows Karens plight may just kick start a sensible realistic worthwhile re - action

Old pals act I hear cry? Of course! Yes granted, and who's interests do they really rally for... Friends yes again. Those that are in a better position and  who BOTHER to go and attend meetings. The rest moan, they spout 'Waste of time they will do as they want'! Well yes, because most don't bother to go and be heard! So yes Karen may have spoken out for the members! Out of order as it was, but don't rally willy - nilly to her cause, rather feel ashamed that the members apathy and not attending important meetings and voicing concerns, opinions etc. Guilt complex should rankle some! Yes the members have allowed this for far to long to be the case, sleeping lemons!

[atlantic]

hi,i would just like to say i think the new gm should sack karen,as she has breached employer/employee trust.

and som of the words used to describe the new gm are totally out of order,the guy isnt even in the job yet.

he must have applied and been interveiwed,DID YOU?

have some respect for the man and give him a chance.

[ChrisMaidment08]

hi,i would just like to say i think the new gm should sack karen,as she has breached employer/employee trust.

and som of the words used to describe the new gm are totally out of order,the guy isnt even in the job yet.

he must have applied and been interveiwed,DID YOU?

have some respect for the man and give him a chance.

 

well noone who did apply got interviewed did they

[Novice]

Just to recap. The suspension had to be done according to laid down procedure.

The investigation must also be done impartially and the eventual outcome must be according to agreed procedure. Should this decision be against Karen in the form of dismissal then she can appeal then take the matter to court if she feels she was unfairly dismissed.

I would suspect that the decision to suspend (which must be on full pay pending an enquiry) had to be that of the G.M. whoever that may be at this point in time. Obviously the president should have been informed.

If the committee were involved in this decision them that would be a breach of employment legislation.

Therefore the subject matter bears no relation to the "lets get rid of the committee" discussion. These are seperate issues.

 

I doubt if the RPRA have the resources to carry out this investigation properly without outside assistance and any mistake either in the suspension or investigation procedure will void the proceedings. I personally feel that RPRA procedures will not be suitably professional to hold water if questioned.

[jimmy_bulger]

i think if we all want to give the rpra a wake up call,then a well coordinated posted letter and mass email hit at the same time will get their attention, in order to do this we all have to ask a friend to put pen to paper and also ask a friend to email at a certain time and date.

just my thoughts on the matter

[OLDYELLOW]

it would fall on deaf ears as it hasn't come from the proper channels Jimmy

[jimmy_bulger]

mark no disrespect mate but stuff the proper channels,its ok chatting about it but if we want summit done you got to get the gob sh**'s attension mate i think this will.

maybe they might thing that their cosy little trips abroad are under threat.

but then again we cant have them getting upset now can we (MY *expletive removed*)  8)

[jimmy_bulger]

HERE IS A WOMAN ON THE INSIDE WHO PROBABLY HAS RUN THE REDDINGS ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS SINGLE HANDED, who has stood up and been prepared to be counted at the risk of loosing her job and more.

and she's not one of the people who lay their fat arses on the subsidised (our membership fees by the way ) seats all over the uk and europe on the pretence they doing it for the good of the fancy.

she actually keeps pigeons (ONE OF US ) have we all become so apathetic that we cant be bothered supporting one of our own.

KAREN  if you looking in i hang my head in shame as a pigon fancier that i cant help you on my own.............

i hope someone can post this on pigeon chat as well, am totaly disalusioned at the way we all have become.

and sod tha powers that be.

jimmy bulger