hotrod Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 My good friend(JOHN MURDOCH) (MURDY TO HIS FRIENDS ) got rings from his old club (shu) after a lot of fighting in the renfrew fed( WHEN IT SPLIT),he resigned at HIS CLUBS agm by letter and joined my club in clydebank (rpra) . this week he tried to transfer a su pigeon sent cheque and transfer ,the shu kept the cheque and refused the transfer ,he phoned and asked why and was given the bums rush (fobed off) he then asked about his 100 su rings this years and was told unless he joined the shu (payed his years dues ) the rings would not be registered in his name and therefore he would not be able to race them at all. Let me tell you this guy is no way political at all he just wants to race his pigeons , he phoned the SHU PRESIDENT IAN NOBLE and was told the same $hite ,his young bird rings were in limbo unless he joined the shu this year (ps before he resigned he contact linda brooks at the shu and told her what he was going to do and( WAS TOLD BY HER EVERYTHING WOULD BE OK ABOUT HIS 2009 RINGS) ,WHAT IS MY FRIEND TO DO NOW I ASK ? and what do you think of the shu for doing this
Guest canfordlofts Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 childish polotics you can say that again
PIGEON_MAN Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Is it a SHU rule that you have to be a member to be able to register the rings.
pjc Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 if he has a receipt for the rings they are his proporty, register them with the RPRA as foreign rings and he can race them within the rules!
Guest canfordlofts Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 childish polotics you can say that again
joe61 Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 hotrod get him to transfer them to rpra member then transfer them back to him oh happy days
Guest canfordlofts Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 childish polotics you can say that again
Williedoo Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Get the Sec you got them from to register them to himself and then transfer them to you.
PIGEON_MAN Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 The SHU wont transfer unregistered rings. Perhaps you can answear my origanal question,does he have to be a member of the SHU to be able to register the rings.
Taylorsloft Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Should have registerd before the first of march
Williedoo Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Yes,to register them,but you dont have to be a member to get them transfered. Might as well join for £13,would cost as much to transfer them.
tyson Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 i would say yes he has to be member of shu to register rings
OLDYELLOW Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 My good friend(JOHN MURDOCH) (MURDY TO HIS FRIENDS ) got rings from his old club (shu) after a lot of fighting in the renfrew fed( WHEN IT SPLIT),he resigned at HIS CLUBS agm by letter and joined my club in clydebank (rpra) . this week he tried to transfer a su pigeon sent cheque and transfer ,the shu kept the cheque and refused the transfer ,he phoned and asked why and was given the bums rush (fobed off) he then asked about his 100 su rings this years and was told unless he joined the shu (payed his years dues ) the rings would not be registered in his name and therefore he would not be able to race them at all. Let me tell you this guy is no way political at all he just wants to race his pigeons , he phoned the SHU PRESIDENT IAN NOBLE and was told the same $hite ,his young bird rings were in limbo unless he joined the shu this year (ps before he resigned he contact linda brooks at the shu and told her what he was going to do and( WAS TOLD BY HER EVERYTHING WOULD BE OK ABOUT HIS 2009 RINGS) ,WHAT IS MY FRIEND TO DO NOW I ASK ? and what do you think of the shu for doing this surely they would have to return the cheque as they havent transfered the bird (s) in question , but surely would of being easier to get rings in first place from R.P.R.A i sent for a few i rang up and paid over phone they were here next day
Guest Owen Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 I have found over the years that the Pigeon Sport is full of petty dictators. Not to mention the jealousies and the down right bloody mindedness that goes on. I am sorry to hear of this latest bit of nonsense because I know how upsetting these things can be. The best way to deal with these issues is usually by getting suport from the rank and file members. But it does not always work out because there are a lot of cowards out there. One tip I will give you though. Make sure you attend any and every meeting until you are done. Do not loose your temper but insist on being heard. That way you should be able to get a sensible outcome. Best of luck Owen.
will Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 I joined the shu a few years ago as an individual member,i have a loft number so they know when i joined,so the form i filled in and got signed by club officials must have been ok.I dont race birds but i can only get rings if i join for that year which is fair enough,but if i try to get rings transfered,if i have been given any youngsters etc.,i cannot because they say you have to be a member every year,i also had a cheque kept last year but the birds were not transfered,i cannot see the logic in this and think that this only causes more agro,which the sport does not need.I am a member of the RPRA which i joined only once a few years ago,birds transfered no problems.
Guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 It is not unreasonable for the SHU to not allow the registration of rings to a non member. I assume they were acting in good faith in supplying them with the expectancy that he would remain a member? Where there appears to be an error is in the advice from Linda Brooks, she should have advised if he is not an SHU member he would not be entitled to the rings, the rings should be returned and the cheque returned. Your friend will get rings immediatley from the RPRA as soon as he joins. If he needs rings urgently I'm happy to send him some and transfer them to him in the meanwhile. Let me know.
Guest IB Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 I am not making excuses, and I do not know the facts, but I think timing of club and shu AGMs may be the problem here. We pay our shu fees through our club, and order our shu rings through our club usually quite early the year before, so the rings were probably ordered while the member had shu membership. You have to resign before an AGM. shu AGM is in December, my club AGM for example is in December, but later than the SHU's, and that is when I would resign membership of shu, by letter to my club, before my club AGM, but after shu AGM, and not to shu direct. I think other clubs AGMs fall later still, Jan & Feb following year. What do I think of it? No point in making life difficult, there is surely a simple resolution to this, it can't be the first time its happened and given the different 'timings', its bound to crop quite often.
jock3 Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 i had similar prob with the rpra a few years ago. got knocked back from joining , and was told by a other man that i was not getting in how. he did know before me ? i then had to go thur the reading to get it sorted . FACT
Guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 i had similar prob with the rpra a few years ago. got knocked back from joining , and was told by a other man that i was not getting in how. he did know before me ? i then had to go thur the reading to get it sorted . FACT Sorry thought this was about the SHU cocking up, not the RPRA? IB I was trying to be kind by saying they acted in good faith..... however let's be honest if the Secretary of the union gives out such basic duff info then it's p*ss poor. For my part I would like to see one union for all of GB, don't care what it's called; but it would bring more benefits than disadvantages.
VAGIN Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 Its a difficult one But the SHU should have returned the cheque to me thats theft or are they in the same position as most of our MPs ( Sorry it was an honest mistake) They should also remember we as members are there emloyers we pay there salaries and keep them in a job
hotrod Posted June 5, 2009 Author Report Posted June 5, 2009 heres the facts of the whole story ,he ordered his rings through his club sometime in august/september 100 rings got his rings on or shortly after 4th jan 2009 ,by this time politics where going wild in renfrew fed ,a club from out side the boundary tried to muscle into the fed lawers letters ,shu appeals,you name it ,most of big murdy's club were for them getting in but the rest of the fed or most of them were against them getting in as they didnt apply properly ie they were told last year to get a member to put in a notice of motion to change the boundary, and they could have got in no bother but they tried to come in by force ie lawers ,so with all the fighting the big man got fed up and saw what we have in our club (harmony) so he applied and got in, this was february/march and handed in a letter to his old club secretary resigning ,so he had rung nearly 60/70 youngbirds by that time ,after he resigned his old club split with anothr four members leaving to join another club in renfrew fed the rest left renfrew fed to start up a new fed with one more club in renfrew and the dumbarton club 6/7 lofts/ west of scotland fed ,now these clubs have made a new fed called west strathclyde fed .as i have said the big man is no way political he just wants to race his birds in peace ,then this $hite .
Guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 if he has a receipt for the rings they are his proporty, register them with the RPRA as foreign rings and he can race them within the rules! spot on some had to do that when the split came
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