PIGEON_MAN Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 the shu is the registration authority for the rings in question. if the rings need to be transfered they are the only organisation who can transfer them. the refusal to transfer breeches many individual rights. what does the fancier do sit back and accept the outrageous situation he is in ? as a tresult of the position taken by the union in question. what does he do with the poigeons as they will not be able to race? If this guy had read the rules he surely would of known that the moment he resigned from his club he was not a member of the SHU so he could not register the rings.IT seems in answear to your question (what does he do) he joins the SHU again which someone as said will cost him £13,surely a small price to pay to be able to race his birds.
johno Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 the fancier does not need to be a member. why do rpra members based in england have no problems transfering shu rung birds? this organisation has had lottery grants and is supposedly the ruling authority in scotland. what a joke.
PIGEON_MAN Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 the fancier does not need to be a member. why do rpra members based in england have no problems transfering shu rung birds? this organisation has had lottery grants and is supposedly the ruling authority in scotland. what a joke. Sorry if I made a mistake,but I did ask this question at the beginning of the thread and was told that you do need to be a member of the SHU to register rings,if that is not the case then I appologise.Perhaps you could put the rule up so that we can all see who is right,as for what happens with RPRA members transferring SHU birds that comes under differant rules alltogether wether you agree with them or not.
maverick Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 were the rings ever registared in anybodys name in the first place, when i was sec of my club any rings that were not bought by members i registared in my name so if anyone needed any extra rings they were reg and could be transfered.
PIGEON_MAN Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 the fancier is an rpra member. Sorry but have you read this thread,being a RPRA member as got nothing to do with him registering rings with the SHU.
Williedoo Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I think if the club Sec had registered the rings right away when he got them it would have been ok. Even if yoiu resign from a club you are still a shu member till March. This makes me think it was after March when someone tryed to regester them. A Sec can register an unregistered ring of any year to an shu member at any time.
johno Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 the ring is automatically registered when it is paid for by the club to the shu. all this man was trying to do was to transfer the birds with the rings on to his name. no matter how anyone tries to dress this up the actions of the union involved are seriously wrong at best.
Williedoo Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Rings are not registered till the club Sec informs the shu which member has been issued with which ring numbers. Just this week I registered an 06AB ring to another shu menber in a different Fed.
johno Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 so where are the records of the unsold rings kept.
Williedoo Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 The rings are sold to the Fed,who then sell them to the clubs,any rings unsold remain unregistered till the Sec gives them to someone then registers them in that pearsons name.
Guest bigda Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 why did the guy put shu rings on his birds, when he should have put rpra rings on his birds as he left and had intentions of joining the rpra was it a case of didn't want to pay ,for new rings and thought £1.50 will do the trick for registrations well think he got what he asked for as there was a time scale involved here and he certainly overstep the mark and i think he had joined his new club where he had ample time to get new rings ordered for the said year
johno Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 there is a register of all rings purchased by the union in the union office. as the rings are let out to feds and clubs and individual members the registered rings are then allocated to individual fanciers. all this man tried to do was transfer the already registered ring numbers to his name. as i have said before no matter how hard the union tries to loss this in a rules debate the treatment stinks and is a clear indicator of what is wrong in the scottish pigeon circle. what a mess! what an example! any shu member who stands up for this treatment must fully understand why the shu is losing members continually.
Guest bigda Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 all he had to do was ask for a refund, and give the rings back
hotrod Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 i will make this very easy to understand , the man got his rings on 4th jan 2009.Before the fed agm their was a political thing going on, a club outside the fed boundary tried to come in the backdoor ,there was a lot of their not getting in ,yes let them in sort of stuff ,argueing ,fighting in clubs, clubs splitting up ,you name it , the big man wanted nowt to do with all that stuff, all he wanted to do was fly his pigeons ,(he has only raced for 3/4 seasons so a newbie really) , he asked me about my club and then when he met a few of my club members wanted to join my club this was in march ,before his clubs AGM, when he got accepted he then resigned from his old club ,but he had already rung nearly 60/70 youngbirds with su rings ,but before he joined my club or resigned from his old club he contacted the SHU SECRETARY MRS L.BROOKES, he told her of his plight and was told that all would be sorted out ,as ive said the big man has/had no mallace against the shu . so he resigned from an SHU CLUB and joined an RPRA CLUB .HE DID NOT CARE IF THE NEW CLUB WAS shu or rpra ,he just wanted out the way of the fighting and argueing . its not just about registering rings though ,the SHU wont transfer any birds to him or in his name as he is no longer a member.
Guest bigda Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 yes under stand 4 jan to march when did the club member jack it in, what date in march, has the club disbanded, or is it reformed, we know the agm is not till oct 09 or there abouts just trying to establish if the club was viable before the first race in april 09 and the secretary was able to register all the rings and hand in a ring list sheet what has the secretary got to say
PIGEON_MAN Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Many people on here have said you have to be a member of the SHU before you can register rings,IS THIS A RULE OR NOT,If it is then the SHU are correct in what they are saying.You say that the SHU wont transfer rings to him either are they rings from someone else.
Guest bigda Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 i think what your telling us hot rod is this, the guy resigned in 08-09 some time in jan -march and was responsible for the rings, ordered in 08 for 09 he then handed in, his resignation and that would not be read out till the 09 oct agm he must have told the secretary in time as to stop his subscription, had he paid the subscription then left there would not have been a problem so failing to subscribe has cost him,
HOMER49 Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Many people on here have said you have to be a member of the SHU before you can register rings,IS THIS A RULE OR NOT,If it is then the SHU are correct in what they are saying.You say that the SHU wont transfer rings to him either are they rings from someone else. Hi Yes you must be a member of the SHU to purchase rings through a club or a registered individual To my knowledge there is no fixed date for the club secretary to register who gets these rings When a club member in our club died our secretary asked any members of our club if they wanted any more rings this was during the racing I took 10 and he registered them in my name Cheers Homer 49
johno Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 what is the rule in the shu. there is no rule been quoted. again a non debate smoke screen put in place to attempt to defend the undefendable. poor show poor example.
Guest bigda Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 what is the rule in the shu. there is no rule been quoted. again a non debate smoke screen put in place to attempt to defend the undefendable. poor show poor example. so hope that helps you johno, you have had quite a few answers, the new club should have put him wise, to whats required, with the shu or should at lest paid his subscription for him
johno Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 thanks for your helpful and conscise analysis of a complicated situation bigda.
hotrod Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Many people on here have said you have to be a member of the SHU before you can register rings,IS THIS A RULE OR NOT,If it is then the SHU are correct in what they are saying.You say that the SHU wont transfer rings to him either are they rings from someone else. its not rings they wont transfer its birds he has bought and wants to race them he sent in a transfer request and a cheque for £1:50 they sent the transfer back without being transfered and kept the cheque,when he phoned the shu office they said they are not transfering his birds as he is not a member, he then phoned the shu president ian noble he told him the same $hite.if to get his rings registered he must pay a shu fee then he will ,but this has left a sour taste in his mouth.
hotrod Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 i think what your telling us hot rod is this, the guy resigned in 08-09 some time in jan -march and was responsible for the rings, ordered in 08 for 09 he then handed in, his resignation and that would not be read out till the 09 oct agm he must have told the secretary in time as to stop his subscription, had he paid the subscription then left there would not have been a problem so failing to subscribe has cost him, were do you get 9th october for his clubs agm? his old clubs agm for 2009 was late march .
Guest bigda Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 its not rings they wont transfer its birds he has bought and wants to race them he sent in a transfer request and a cheque for £1:50 they sent the transfer back without being transfered and kept the cheque,when he phoned the shu office they said they are not transfering his birds as he is not a member, he then phoned the shu president ian noble he told him the same $hite.if to get his rings registered he must pay a shu fee then he will ,but this has left a sour taste in his mouth. i think under the same scenario that could happen with the rpra if i had to ask the rpra for forty rings what would the reply be, then should i join the shu and the secretary hadn't registered my rings what then
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