Guest bigda Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 hommer i am with you here birds can turn inside a stall trap, and the pad is in the same place as birds are rubber removed or ETS timed your trap is a dual type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 homer i am with you here birds can turn inside a stall trap, and the pad is in the same place as birds are rubber removed or ETS timed your trap is a dual type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOMER49 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 ps and if i remember right petron were told this trap would not be legal in scotland HiOK walter give me details so I can sue themCheersHomer 49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Hi JohnSo your are saying as President OF LANARKSHIRE Federationthat Petron have sold me an trap that is not legalCheersHomer 49alex its up to you to check whats legal when you buy it nothing to do with any one else three people ansered you one just happens to be the fed pres all are saying the samething thought someone in the game as long as you would have checked it out first m8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnQuinn Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Hi JohnSo your are saying as President OF LANARKSHIRE Federationthat Petron have sold me an trap that is not legalCheersHomer 49 Can i assume that the bird is timed in when it walks into the Archway??... If so IMO, as a fancier first and foremost then it would Not be "legal". As President of the Fed, if an objection was raised about it, i would argue my position as stated on my earlier post. We do however live in a democracy, the rule isn't entirely clear which is what leaves it open to interpretation, but as also stated that is MY interpretation and would Vote in favour of the complainant, in the event of a draw vote that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Reid Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 This trap should be landing board bob wires entry holes then ets pad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billt Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Can i assume that the bird is timed in when it walks into the Archway??... If so IMO, as a fancier first and foremost then it would Not be "legal". As President of the Fed, if an objection was raised about it, i would argue my position as stated on my earlier post. We do however live in a democracy, the rule isn't entirely clear which is what leaves it open to interpretation, but as also stated that is MY interpretation and would Vote in favour of the complainant, in the event of a draw vote that is. John, I think you must agree that no rule should be open to interpretation as then it is not a rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 well the rule would be committee go around lofts and place the 2 seals on pads on nylon string something that will weather for a few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 homer i am with you here birds can turn inside a stall trap, and the pad is in the same place as birds are rubber removed or ETS timed your trap is a dual typedont think so da the bird does not drop down in alex trap so you could not take a rubber off it it just walks on to the pad if im right no ones getting at alex hes been suckered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOMER49 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Can i assume that the bird is timed in when it walks into the Archway??... If so IMO, as a fancier first and foremost then it would Not be "legal". As President of the Fed, if an objection was raised about it, i would argue my position as stated on my earlier post. We do however live in a democracy, the rule isn't entirely clear which is what leaves it open to interpretation, but as also stated that is MY interpretation and would Vote in favour of the complainant, in the event of a draw vote that is. HiIntend to go to SHU tomorrow haveing spent about £1500 convertingmy lofts with Petron traps which you are now saying is ilegalwell I will be sueing iether Petron or Lanarkshire FedCheersHomer 49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 dont think so da the bird does not drop down in alex trap so you could not take a rubber off it it just walks on to the pad if im right no ones getting at alex hes been suckered think alex trap would work better inside out then the stall trap birds are caught out side the loft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnQuinn Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 John, I think you must agree that no rule should be open to interpretation as then it is not a rule Yes i entirely agree with you. The arguments have created doubt about the rule but as far as i'm concerned the threshold of the loft must be crossed before a bird is timed in, whether it comes back outside afterwards is neither here nor there, but crossing the threshold is IMO a MUST for it to be legal. Unfortunately the Policing of seals etc to ensure fairness in racing is not really possible, for one we cannot force our way into/onto members property and many club Officials would not put themselves into a situation where they may be abused for Insisting on seeing a members pad placement. There are many who would say "well just suspend the fancier" but the result would still create divisions amongst club members and officials and that is why a LOT of secretaries say they will not enforce the Seals approach regardless of directives from the SHU or anyone else for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Reid Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 expletive remove doesn't matter what trap is used .but pigeon can only have its freedom to the sky again via the pigeon fancier if your trap doesn't let you do this then your fckd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 hommer ones like this would you say the bird was inside the loft when it got to the bob wires hereWELCOME TO RED STAR LOFTSMain MenuHomeAbout UsNewsContact usPigeon AuctionsOur CatalogueAll ProductsNest BoxesWidowhood HensTrapsPerchesAccessoriesE.T.S.Contact DetailsRed Star Lofts Unit 2Rear of 58-62 Ernest StreetRhylLL18 2DWTel: +44 (0) 1745 355880Eve: +44 (0) 1745 857551Email: redstarlofts@redstarlofts.co.uk This email address is being protected from spambots. You need Javascript enabled to view it.Our opening times are 9.00am to 5.30pm Mon to Fri and weekends by prior arrangement You are here: Home E.T.S. Large E.T.S Entry & Exit Combination Trap & BayLarge E.T.S Entry & Exit Combination Trap & Bay Manufactured from 12mm exterior birch plywood & treated tanalised green framing for long life & low maintenance. Completely enclosed Perspex bay for maximum weather protection.Bob Wires to the front with folding landing board. Complies with R.P.R.A Rules.L32¾" x H28" x D15" £140.00Suitable for:6 Field BRICON4 Field UNIKON4 Field TauRIS4 Field MEGA4 Field BENZING Price: £140.00Price does NOT include carriage. For more information on this product please contact us. TopSite MapTerms and ConditionsPrivacy Policy© 2012 Red Star LoftsPowered by OaD Design Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Yes i entirely agree with you. The arguments have created doubt about the rule but as far as i'm concerned the threshold of the loft must be crossed before a bird is timed in, whether it comes back outside afterwards is neither here nor there, but crossing the threshold is IMO a MUST for it to be legal. Unfortunately the Policing of seals etc to ensure fairness in racing is not really possible, for one we cannot force our way into/onto members property and many club Officials would not put themselves into a situation where they may be abused for Insisting on seeing a members pad placement. There are many who would say "well just suspend the fancier" but the result would still create divisions amongst club members and officials and that is why a LOT of secretaries say they will not enforce the Seals approach regardless of directives from the SHU or anyone else for that matter.they would have to do it if taking a dope test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Reid Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 hommer ones like thisWELCOME TO RED STAR LOFTSMain MenuHomeAbout UsNewsContact usPigeon AuctionsOur CatalogueAll ProductsNest BoxesWidowhood HensTrapsPerchesAccessoriesE.T.S.Contact DetailsRed Star Lofts Unit 2Rear of 58-62 Ernest StreetRhylLL18 2DWTel: +44 (0) 1745 355880Eve: +44 (0) 1745 857551Email: redstarlofts@redstarlofts.co.uk This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.Our opening times are 9.00am to 5.30pm Mon to Fri and weekends by prior arrangement You are here: Home E.T.S. Large E.T.S Entry & Exit Combination Trap & BayLarge E.T.S Entry & Exit Combination Trap & Bay Manufactured from 12mm exterior birch plywood & treated tanalised green framing for long life & low maintenance. Completely enclosed Perspex bay for maximum weather protection.Bob Wires to the front with folding landing board. Complies with R.P.R.A Rules.L32¾" x H28" x D15" £140.00Suitable for:6 Field BRICON4 Field UNIKON4 Field TauRIS4 Field MEGA4 Field BENZING Price: £140.00Price does NOT include carriage. For more information on this product please contact us. TopSite MapTerms and ConditionsPrivacy Policy© 2012 Red Star LoftsPowered by OaD Designthis trap fckd also bird can time in turn about and .*expletive removed* off no good unless you want to take a chance . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOMER49 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Yes i entirely agree with you. The arguments have created doubt about the rule but as far as i'm concerned the threshold of the loft must be crossed before a bird is timed in, whether it comes back outside afterwards is neither here nor there, but crossing the threshold is IMO a MUST for it to be legal. Unfortunately the Policing of seals etc to ensure fairness in racing is not really possible, for one we cannot force our way into/onto members property and many club Officials would not put themselves into a situation where they may be abused for Insisting on seeing a members pad placement. There are many who would say "well just suspend the fancier" but the result would still create divisions amongst club members and officials and that is why a LOT of secretaries say they will not enforce the Seals approach regardless of directives from the SHU or anyone else for that matter. Hi John Question IS the Unikon ETS trap I purchased from Petron legal or notSimple yes or noCheersHomer 49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnQuinn Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 HiIntend to go to SHU tomorrow haveing spent about £1500 convertingmy lofts with Petron traps which you are now saying is ilegalwell I will be sueing iether Petron or Lanarkshire FedCheersHomer 49 Ye canny sue anyone until you've got something to sue them for Alex, i gave you MY opinion on it and explained in detail my position on it. Petron have NO authority to determine what is Legal in our sport and what is not. Petron have IMO developed a trap that a Unicon Pad fits into like a glove but it disnae make it legally binding on any organisations to accept their idea's of traps as being Superior to the Rules of Racing. The "cross the threshold" rule has been in place for YEARS, for as long as i remember in fact, ets designer Traps will NOT overturn this rule. In a nutshell i suggest you return the trap to Unikon as not fit for purpose, or fix it into your loft to meet the requirements of the racing rules in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 this trap fckd also bird can time in turn about and .*expletive removed* off no good unless you want to take a chance .just saying is the bird inside the loft no mater about the bobs as that is a fixture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Can i assume that the bird is timed in when it walks into the Archway??... If so IMO, as a fancier first and foremost then it would Not be "legal". As President of the Fed, if an objection was raised about it, i would argue my position as stated on my earlier post. We do however live in a democracy, the rule isn't entirely clear which is what leaves it open to interpretation, but as also stated that is MY interpretation and would Vote in favour of the complainant, in the event of a draw vote that is.get yer hammers and saws out boys yer president got balls to lol pity the shu dont or we would not still be talking about this and no more bull the guys out there with the dogey traps know exactlay what there doing and why well done john for saying what you think as a fancier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 just saying is the bird inside the loft no mater about the bobs as that is a fixtureno its not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Reid Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Think I will save my self £140 and put my pad under landing board :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 alex calm down man im not 100 percent but when they came out i dont think the rpra past them ether m8 there was a lot of bother with them down south because guys like your self bought them in good faith only to be told they had not been passed as legal it all kicked off at blackpool 4 or 5 years ago when petron first put them on there show loft i dont know if the rpra ever passed them but the bhw was full of it for months m8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 alex as a matter of interest what kind of traps did you have before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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