Snfc Y/Bird. Open Leicester

[VMS]

let the west sec up 2 hours before the main convoy,lol

I would do away with open positions but that in turn would do away with the concept of National racing, don't know the solution.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Simple. put a line on a map from Reims,Clermont,Ypres up into Peterhead or fraserburgh and i dare you to tell me that is an easy route our doos are expected ti fly never mind the distance !! :blink:

 

I would agree that in races were you have a head wind then the North section is one of the most difficult places to fly, this because of the fatigue factor :emoticon-0137-clapping: , but in a south west wind its shooty in well compared to that of flying into the west region especially down to places like largs. jmo

[tiger]

I would do away with open positions but that in turn would do away with the concept of National racing, don't know the solution.

realy dont know why the west? birds ate not up with the winners as there are some top doo men over there ?

[VMS]

realy dont know why the west? birds ate not up with the winners as there are some top doo men over there ?

Its simple mate the west birds dog leg from the East that's Fact

[tiger]

Its simple mate the west birds dog leg from the East that's Fact

but not an hour 1/2 behind birds into broxburn

[Taylorsloft]

the wind plays the biggest part in the race if the prevailing wind was from the east we would see different results / i was on the Aberdeen transporter for a couple of years I've seen the west pigeons struggling in the wind /but ive always said people cant help where they live you just have to get on with it .send you pigeons and hope for the best

[delboy74]

but not an hour 1/2 behind birds into broxburn

Could take an hour in that wind yesterday and it's about 25 miles from Broxburn to carluke

[tiger]

Why not its over 20 miles from broxburn to Carluke

are they walking it

[VMS]

but not an hour 1/2 behind birds into broxburn

Flying Reims into Carluke i get 10 miles over Trannent if i toss my pigeons at Trannent they take at least 1 hour and thats the way they come.We have next to no chance of living with that.

[delboy74]

are they walking it

Aye

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Its simple mate the west birds dog leg from the East that's Fact

 

 

Forget it Vincent, some guys whether through ignorance or lacking intelligence will never learn.

[tiger]

Forget it Vincent, some guys whether through ignorance or lacking intelligence will never learn.

[blucock]

Its 65 miles from Broxburn to Largs - how long should they take in a headwind having already flown 250-275 miles?? 20 minutes? If we fly a National in an East wind and the birds came up West of the Pennines then the East birds would be 2 hours behind the west. Once the convoy has gone east of the Pennines there's isn't an opportunity for the pigeons to make for the west until they more or less hit the M8 - it's not rocket science.

 

It's just a fact. It really doesn't help with West fanciers being slated in silly forum posts. If you took an east fancier and made him fly from Ayrshire for the year, and an Ayrshire fancier and put his loft in Edinburgh - I can guarantee you Edinburgh loft would be far in front of the Ayrshire loft even tho the same pigeons and fanciers reversed had previously shown the East fancier to be the "better" - it's not comparing like with like.

 

Do you seriously consider that there are 50 or 60 lofts in the Sections that dominate the results where the pigeons are actually all better than the best lofts in Ayrshire, Renfrewshire etc?

 

When the West dog-leg and fly an extra 60-70 miles they are always going to be slower. Ask the fanciers in South Ayrshire when they are doing 950ypm and the North/Coast are doing 1300ypm from 70 mile races... its simple geography.

 

Very difficult to judge East vs West due to the geography of Scotland. Still, won't stop fanciers trying - posts slating West fanciers just don't help and only serve to de-moralise.

 

Best of luck in National racing 2013

[JADE]

Flying Reims into Carluke i get 10 miles over Trannent if i toss my pigeons at Trannent they take at least 1 hour and thats the way they come.We have next to no chance of living with that.

 

Excuse my ignorance but why would a national winning doo from Reims flying to Carluke be anywhere near Tranent. I bet the Largs doo yesterday came up the west with the first solway doos

[tiger]

Its 65 miles from Broxburn to Largs - how long should they take in a headwind having already flown 250-275 miles?? 20 minutes? If we fly a National in an East wind and the birds came up West of the Pennines then the East birds would be 2 hours behind the west. Once the convoy has gone east of the Pennines there's isn't an opportunity for the pigeons to make for the west until they more or less hit the M8 - it's not rocket science.

 

It's just a fact. It really doesn't help with West fanciers being slated in silly forum posts. If you took an east fancier and made him fly from Ayrshire for the year, and an Ayrshire fancier and put his loft in Edinburgh - I can guarantee you Edinburgh loft would be far in front of the Ayrshire loft even tho the same pigeons and fanciers reversed had previously shown the East fancier to be the "better" - it's not comparing like with like.

 

Do you seriously consider that there are 50 or 60 lofts in the Sections that dominate the results where the pigeons are actually all better than the best lofts in Ayrshire, Renfrewshire etc?

 

When the West dog-leg and fly an extra 60-70 miles they are always going to be slower. Ask the fanciers in South Ayrshire when they are doing 950ypm and the North/Coast are doing 1300ypm from 70 mile races... its simple geography.

 

Very difficult to judge East vs West due to the geography of Scotland. Still, won't stop fanciers trying - posts slating West fanciers just don't help and only serve to de-moralise.

 

Best of luck in National racing 2013

thats flying into the west and yes it must be hard over there but they are moaning are 15 mls west of me that not the west yous guys over are west

[blucock]

the wind plays the biggest part in the race if the prevailing wind was from the east we would see different results / i was on the Aberdeen transporter for a couple of years I've seen the west pigeons struggling in the wind /but ive always said people cant help where they live you just have to get on with it .send you pigeons and hope for the best

 

 

very good post. Tho I would HOPE that the west birds would all be on the same transporter where possible ie Ayrshire/Renfrewshire/Lanarkshire doos..... and DEFINITELY not on the Aberdeen transporter as I hear was the case on the weekend (Kilmarnock doos were to be put on Aberdeen transporter)

[VMS]

Excuse my ignorance but why would a national winning doo from Reims flying to Carluke be anywhere near Tranent. I bet the Largs doo yesterday came up the west with the first solway doos

The pigeons come up the East they do not come up the West and with Reims being East thats why.

[nisbetx]

excuse my relative ignorance, very new to this sport, but what about a national young bird race from Castlebar, county mayo, Eire. length of race appears to be in range. SW DIRECTIONS to vast majority and main A road links for transpotation. Not perfect, but appears as fair as our prevailing westerlies allow. OK thats me, start shooting me down in flames LOL

[blucock]

excuse my relative ignorance, very new to this sport, but what about a national young bird race from Castlebar, county mayo, Eire. length of race appears to be in range. SW DIRECTIONS to vast majority and main A road links for transpotation. Not perfect, but appears as fair as our prevailing westerlies allow. OK thats me, start shooting me down in flames LOL

 

Largest majority of the membership wouldn't vote for this route mate, it would favour the west of the country. Not saying it would be right or wrong (I happen to think there would be far easier racing for all with the prevailing winds tailing the convoy) witness the NIPA velocities but just that it wouldn't get through.

 

Hard tho the route is, it is there for all - my take is that you set your own goals whether that be section cards or open etc. Your position will always dictate your ambition, though we can always have dreams ! Best of luck to all of you

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Largest majority of the membership wouldn't vote for this route mate, it would favour the west of the country. Not saying it would be right or wrong (I happen to think there would be far easier racing for all with the prevailing winds tailing the convoy) witness the NIPA velocities but just that it wouldn't get through.

 

Hard tho the route is, it is there for all - my take is that you set your own goals whether that be section cards or open etc. Your position will always dictate your ambition, though we can always have dreams ! Best of luck to all of you

 

Agree, every race i have my mind set on first open, most of the time it is as you say, a dream rather than reality. At the end of the day we have our sections to be competitive within and most fanciers (within Scotland) judge on this rather than open positions to have a true reflection on performance, often this is not the case outwith Scotland.

[JADE]

The pigeons come up the East they do not come up the West and with Reims being East thats why.

 

Well thats that then

[frank-123]

tell u what pm urs

 

Come on John no need for that we can all have a difference of opinion and a bit of banter.

[tiger]

Come on John no need for that we can all have a difference of opinion and a bit of banter.

sorry frank ur right

[dava]

as ive said dont know why , but ur birds were not up with the winners afew birda in around 2,30 in central ur birs should have been it

 

 

my address is 29 linhouse rd

east calder

get ur a r se over here now

pmsl brilliant you call yourself an adult you should be ashamed of yourself coming away wae that patter on an open forum no wonder the games going down the tubes disgusting behaveure

[THE FIFER]

Come on John no need for that we can all have a difference of opinion and a bit of banter.

 

 

agree, so come on lads some good posts and banter but keep it all friendly, cheers all,