JohnQuinn Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 have you tried Old Hand's Going Light tabs? Sounds to me its a digestive problem and they could help. i'm not an expert by any means on ailments but, for all the good it may do giving them to the birds it sure won't do them any harm. Atb, hope you get them sorted out soon mate.
pigeonman2011 Posted June 27, 2012 Author Report Posted June 27, 2012 have you tried Old Hand's Going Light tabs? Sounds to me its a digestive problem and they could help. i'm not an expert by any means on ailments but, for all the good it may do giving them to the birds it sure won't do them any harm. Atb, hope you get them sorted out soon mate. sadly tried them aswell i forgot to mention that not done this young ane any good cheers for your reply.
Guest IB Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 Sounds very like classic young bird sickness. A virus may have weakened the immune system and several diseases may have taken hold - all at the same time. When birds are dying its past the time for asking advice on forums such as this one, get in touch with a good avian vet as soon as possible. Warning - it may be costly, and you may be asked to allow a bird to be culled for autopsy, to identify all the stuff that's going on. Meantime do not feed the birds, they cannot digest it until after the crop empties (24 hours) and that will be by bringing up everything that is in it. So be ready to clean & disinfect any mess that is made, any household bleach will do e.g. Domestos, and this will stop cross-infection . A water sanitiser in the drinker, e.g. Milton, from your local chemist, may also help and it will stop cross-infection too.
flying fifer Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 right where do i start here im pulling my hair out folks my young anes are getting ill i noticed one just over 2 weeks ago go off its food and wee bit loss of body weight i wasnt sure so i seperated this bird for a week and it came on really well and put it back in and it was flying round like it never had a problem but ive had 3 birds die well i put them down hate doin it but has to be done to eliminate problems they were holding their water but i thought eliminating them sorted the problem how wrong was i well its back again i was told to treat for coccidiosis silly me i did its not that then i noticed one bird holding its food and water a young ane that was given to me to get me started and its crop was smelly so i seperated it drained of the water and it was sick all the food came up so i got old hand sour crop gave it 2 tablets yesterday on an empty crop and another 2 2day nae difference poor wee bugger its been a fighter tho sadly hes gona be put down aswell im at my wits end need some help here guys fast before i loose my team .Sounds like Y/B Sickness no instant cure but if you want to phone me i will try to help, need more specific details. 07773363406
aye ready Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 http://www.racingpigeon.co.uk/Articles.aspx?id=157 you can phone here for a test kit(belgica de weerdt) spelling? i used him about 3 weeks ago but bought the test kit at blackpool from his stall £10,phoned me after doing the test then followed up with a written report
blackdog Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 nifuramycin 3 days,level teaspoon to 2 ltr water then nystan for a further 3 days 5ml to 2 ltr water, any youngsters not drinking syringe 5ml down there throats, then 2 droplets of nystan 4 times a day for the 3 days, always follow up with a good probiotic, hope you get them sorted mate, Nystatin is an antifungal antibiotic active against a wide range of yeasts and yeast-like fungi, including Candida
pigeonman2011 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Report Posted June 28, 2012 Get them on NYSTAN where can i get nystan thanks
maverick Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 where can i get nystan thanks you will need to go to a vet you cant get it over the counter here but you can abroad nifuramycin 3 days,level teaspoon to 2 ltr water then nystan for a further 3 days 5ml to 2 ltr water, any youngsters not drinking syringe 5ml down there throats, then 2 droplets of nystan 4 times a day for the 3 days, always follow up with a good probiotic, hope you get them sorted mate, Nystatin is an antifungal antibiotic active against a wide range of yeasts and yeast-like fungi, including Candida I have used NYSTAN for a lot of years and you are well over the top with the dose
WulDon Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 where can i get nystan thanks most of these medicines are prescription only, best bet would be get your young birds tested by Retford Poultry and then they can prescibe what is needed... in meantime starve the young birds for 24 hours to empty all crops, build up with light grains there after, virkon-s or vanodine v18 in the water will prevent the virus spreading, belgica 4-in-1 to get the droppings back firm again, will take you a minimum of 2 weeks to get these youngsters looking anything near normal again, next time dont wait two weeks before asking.... keep them in for at least a week and definetly no training!
pigeonman2011 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Report Posted June 28, 2012 you will need to go to a vet you cant get it over the counter here but you can abroad I have used NYSTAN for a lot of years and you are well over the top with the dose so for nystan i have to go to a vet im phoning the vet right now
clockman Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 you will need to go to a vet you cant get it over the counter here but you can abroadWhat happened to the spare bottles you had last week,
blackdog Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 you will need to go to a vet you cant get it over the counter here but you can abroad I have used NYSTAN for a lot of years and you are well over the top with the dose same here mate, used it for over 20 years, works for me, was told by a very good pigeon man up these parts, raymond ingrim to use it this way, whats the dose you give them mav?
pigeonman2011 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Report Posted June 28, 2012 most of these medicines are prescription only, best bet would be get your young birds tested by Retford Poultry and then they can prescibe what is needed... in meantime starve the young birds for 24 hours to empty all crops, build up with light grains there after, virkon-s or vanodine v18 in the water will prevent the virus spreading, belgica 4-in-1 to get the droppings back firm again, will take you a minimum of 2 weeks to get these youngsters looking anything near normal again, next time dont wait two weeks before asking.... keep them in for at least a week and definetly no training! u know at first i thought it was coccidiosis and they were treated for this because i had this before over a year and a half ago i lost one and the rest came on well in my head thats wat i thought this was but it isnt its the same way weight loss, goin of the food and lethargy to be honest it hasnt been 2 weeks roughly as when my young birds then got sick i eliminated them thinking that was it but 2 weeks later it was back i had aswell disinfected the drinker and always have a garlic clove in the drinker is virkon s safe in the water and how much thanks.
blackdog Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 Virkon S is a disinfectant sold by Dupont. Not only is it the most amazing disinfectant you will ever use in the lofts for sanitation but it is simply magic when used in the pigeons drinking water. Virkon S should be the first line of defense for any young bird sickness. If the pigeons start to go off whether it is a young bird sickness or possible other affliction add 1/2 to 3/4 teaspoon to the gallon of water for five days. Usually within two days all symptoms have disappeared. By day five the birds look spectacular. Virkon S must be added to the water after the containers are filled and then stirred. It will form up if added first and then water is added. Like any disinfectant be careful to keep Virkon S out of your eyes and try not to inhale the powder. Better to be safe. As a general health aid give the pigeons three days of Virkon S every six to eight weeks. Virkon S seems to have a positive effect against all bacteria, virus, fungi and canker. We use it during breeding, molting and racing will no ill effects. Chicken breeders have been giving Virkon S to chicks for years. The chicks live better, grow better and losses are lessened. We add Virkon S to the bath water in the same above dose. Virkon S is an unbelievable disinfectant to be sprayed in the lofts and all general disinfection and sanitation needs. After treating with Virkon S please give several days of friendly gut bacteria and vitamins. Virkon S can be given at the dose of one teaspoon to the gallon if your pigeons are experiencing Circo-virus. The product will not cure infected pigeons but it will stop the spread of the virus. In the case of Circo Virus you can remove sick pigeons and keep the remaining pigeons on Virkon S until the pigeons are no longer becoming sick. This may take a week to ten days. Like I said if the pigeons is already infected with Circo, Virkon S may or may not help. The benefit lies in stopping the virus from spreading. I get asked all the time "can you use Virkon S during breeding season"? On June 18th I put all my breeders on Virkon S at the dose of 3/4 teaspoon to the gallon. I have babies at all stages of development and every breeder and youngster looks a super as ever. Droppings are firm and normal. You will notice that if a pigeon has a minor respiratory problem the Virkon S will turn the wattle slightly yellow. At the end of the five day treatment the wattle will be white and dry. I have been reading how Koi Fish Breeders and keepers used Virkon S in the ponds and tanks to cure and prevent many difference virus and bacteria. They also claim it works at a very low dose and does not effect the biological filter (friendly bacteria). If fish can thrive in the presence of Virkon S, this is a very good sign
WulDon Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 Virkon S is a disinfectant sold by Dupont. Not only is it the most amazing disinfectant you will ever use in the lofts for sanitation but it is simply magic when used in the pigeons drinking water. Virkon S should be the first line of defense for any young bird sickness. If the pigeons start to go off whether it is a young bird sickness or possible other affliction add 1/2 to 3/4 teaspoon to the gallon of water for five days. Usually within two days all symptoms have disappeared. By day five the birds look spectacular. Virkon S must be added to the water after the containers are filled and then stirred. It will form up if added first and then water is added. Like any disinfectant be careful to keep Virkon S out of your eyes and try not to inhale the powder. Better to be safe. As a general health aid give the pigeons three days of Virkon S every six to eight weeks. Virkon S seems to have a positive effect against all bacteria, virus, fungi and canker. We use it during breeding, molting and racing will no ill effects. Chicken breeders have been giving Virkon S to chicks for years. The chicks live better, grow better and losses are lessened. We add Virkon S to the bath water in the same above dose. Virkon S is an unbelievable disinfectant to be sprayed in the lofts and all general disinfection and sanitation needs. After treating with Virkon S please give several days of friendly gut bacteria and vitamins. Virkon S can be given at the dose of one teaspoon to the gallon if your pigeons are experiencing Circo-virus. The product will not cure infected pigeons but it will stop the spread of the virus. In the case of Circo Virus you can remove sick pigeons and keep the remaining pigeons on Virkon S until the pigeons are no longer becoming sick. This may take a week to ten days. Like I said if the pigeons is already infected with Circo, Virkon S may or may not help. The benefit lies in stopping the virus from spreading. I get asked all the time "can you use Virkon S during breeding season"? On June 18th I put all my breeders on Virkon S at the dose of 3/4 teaspoon to the gallon. I have babies at all stages of development and every breeder and youngster looks a super as ever. Droppings are firm and normal. You will notice that if a pigeon has a minor respiratory problem the Virkon S will turn the wattle slightly yellow. At the end of the five day treatment the wattle will be white and dry. I have been reading how Koi Fish Breeders and keepers used Virkon S in the ponds and tanks to cure and prevent many difference virus and bacteria. They also claim it works at a very low dose and does not effect the biological filter (friendly bacteria). If fish can thrive in the presence of Virkon S, this is a very good sign good post blackdog, hopefully that ansa ur question pigeonman2011
sean75 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 if you can get some belgamco for 10 days and cobel the last 5 days get it off de weerd also use belgasol on corn the last few days
Guest IB Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 The problem with these so called treatments is that the birds are suffering from crop retention. That means there is no way through from the crop into the lower gut. There is absolutely no absorption from the crop, so all that is likely to happen is antibiotics etc will be brought straight back up when the bird vomits.
just ask me Posted July 2, 2012 Report Posted July 2, 2012 dont feed birds for 24 hrs give a charcoal tablet the second day give a half one the 3rd day give another half also only feed light corn depuritve and only a 1/4 of a ounce at a time twice a day for the 3 days they will be grand after that its very important that there not feed for 24 hrs you need to clear the crop
maverick Posted July 2, 2012 Report Posted July 2, 2012 dont feed birds for 24 hrs give a charcoal tablet the second day give a half one the 3rd day give another half also only feed light corn depuritve and only a 1/4 of a ounce at a time twice a day for the 3 days they will be grand after that its very important that there not feed for 24 hrs you need to clear the crop How are the birds coming along now
just ask me Posted July 2, 2012 Report Posted July 2, 2012 How are the birds coming along now im not sure if your asking the original poster or myself but it may help someone anyway ive used this treatment i think it clears ybs sickness very fast i got it during during racing i think it was two year back they came back on the Sunday i think it was Monday they looked a little doggy Tuesday i knew they had it started the treatment then they looked perfect by the following weekend i nearly could of raced them the week after i topped the federation also taking many positions in the top 20 the great thing about the treatment its 100% natural no antibiotics and charcoal tablets can be bought in any chemist for very cheap
Guest Owen Posted July 2, 2012 Report Posted July 2, 2012 I have read most of the replies on here and a lot of them are misleading. You have probably not vaccinated the adult birds for paramixovirus and the situation has caught with you. Vaccinate all the youngsters with De Weerd vaccine straight away. Then vaccinate the sick ones once a week for at least 3 weeks. All the birds will recover although some of them will take a few weeks. You need to understand that it is a virus you are dealing with and no amount of medication will help them. The only cure is the bird's own immune system which has to be strengthened by vaccination. Most of the things that you have been informed about are good to deal with the secondary infections but will not touch the virus.In the future you must vaccinate your youngsters as you wean them and again 4 weeks later. If the odd one gets infected you vaccinate again because either you missed the site or the bird will have the temporary immunity they sometimes get from their parents. The parent immunity will prevent the vaccine from working properly but will wear off and leave the youngster open to infection. Hence the need for the second (or is it third) vaccination. All old birds intended for breeding need to receive the vaccination to protect them from the virus but also to help the youngsters they breed. This vaccination will help to eliminate the nests of youngsters that continually have wet smelly droppings and they will grow better. I think we have all got to come to realise that paramixovirus is ever present and will cause sickness in pigeons that is sub clinical as well as the classic symptoms we all know about such as star gazing, liquid droppings and nervous disorders. Finally, I once had big problems with youngsters dying and becoming very ill with YBS and I have tried many things to try to cure them and also to protect them. Making them spew, starving them, purchased cures and antibiotics but with very limited success. I also suffered the disappointment of getting birds over the early symptoms only to find that they were permanently damaged by the disease and no use as racers. I even left the sick birds in the loft with the others so that they would all have the disease and allow them to develop their own immunity. All these things did help but the aadvice I gave you above is the only real answer to the problem. James
just ask me Posted July 2, 2012 Report Posted July 2, 2012 I have read most of the replies on here and a lot of them are misleading. You have probably not vaccinated the adult birds for paramixovirus and the situation has caught with you. Vaccinate all the youngsters with De Weerd vaccine straight away. Then vaccinate the sick ones once a week for at least 3 weeks. All the birds will recover although some of them will take a few weeks. You need to understand that it is a virus you are dealing with and no amount of medication will help them. The only cure is the bird's own immune system which has to be strengthened by vaccination. Most of the things that you have been informed about are good to deal with the secondary infections but will not touch the virus.In the future you must vaccinate your youngsters as you wean them and again 4 weeks later. If the odd one gets infected you vaccinate again because either you missed the site or the bird will have the temporary immunity they sometimes get from their parents. The parent immunity will prevent the vaccine from working properly but will wear off and leave the youngster open to infection. Hence the need for the second (or is it third) vaccination. All old birds intended for breeding need to receive the vaccination to protect them from the virus but also to help the youngsters they breed. This vaccination will help to eliminate the nests of youngsters that continually have wet smelly droppings and they will grow better. I think we have all got to come to realise that paramixovirus is ever present and will cause sickness in pigeons that is sub clinical as well as the classic symptoms we all know about such as star gazing, liquid droppings and nervous disorders. Finally, I once had big problems with youngsters dying and becoming very ill with YBS and I have tried many things to try to cure them and also to protect them. Making them spew, starving them, purchased cures and antibiotics but with very limited success. I also suffered the disappointment of getting birds over the early symptoms only to find that they were permanently damaged by the disease and no use as racers. I even left the sick birds in the loft with the others so that they would all have the disease and allow them to develop their own immunity. All these things did help but the aadvice I gave you above is the only real answer to the problem. James my old birds were vaccinated and young birds done on weaning and again on a later date ive been vaccinating twice now for years and they still picked up ybs what ever that is the charcoal have fixed mine with out any further experiences of the sickness i believe its some sort of bacterial infection of the gut which may cause secondary infection which may cause a lot more serious problems ive never had it twice in the same batch of birds
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