Losses

[alec guinness]

yes john cant agree with that either .There is a lot of top birds missing all over the country and some with very prominent nat positions . I had a descent race yesterday with one missing but other folks proven birds are gone .Not all birds missing are not worth there perch

 

yep only the start of the season and time will tell m8. too early to be judgeing birds which with the east wind can make easy mistakes. ;)

[blue lad]

I beg to differ if you could have seen the panic in the birds flying around this evening they were trying to land on the lee side of the rig. but due to weather allday yesterday the cranes have been down due to 50plus knts blowing at 120 ft above sea level and heavy rain showers.They could not land as three crane jibs have been in the air since the wind dropped.They were all flying into the wind ?Perhaps dannish birds?Thats not weather to put mick bottles out in let alone pigeons!

[Guest stb-]

Andy i think it all boils down to motivation and decent birds. Everyone needs a wee bit luck but overall i think if the stock is right and motivated they will get up the road. There will NO DOUBT be a disaster of a race and then all the Told You So's will come out the woodwork, forgetting we've had at least 1 every season for the last 3 years.

John i know folk yest who have lost more than descent birds like double sec winner at 500 miles and plenty other good birds with different orgs how do birds thats flown channel 5 times not make it from under 100miles yet untrained yearlings batter in makesa you scratch your head at times

[ovy1255]

What Losses??? We've had 2 good races with almost 100% returns

 

loads of pigeons missing off saturdays race john,and the welsh seem to have took a battering . the lads in my area west durham amal flying approx 65----90 miles front man to back have quite a few losses------north east wind getting blamed.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Who knows what happens to birds when they are in the sky .How many did you get with feathers missing last week? Maybe the hawks learned from there mistakes

None with injuries this week Frank, fortunate that it wasn't my doos turn to have battles with the hawks, 35/36 first week and it was a latebred sprinter, this week 31/34 2 sprint latebreds, yet the other distance bloodlines latebreds are back. And the other pigeon to come will now be put to good use against the bop problem that is if it makes it home late like the previous time.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

John i know folk yest who have lost more than descent birds like double sec winner at 500 miles and plenty other good birds with different orgs how do birds thats flown channel 5 times not make it from under 100miles yet untrained yearlings batter in makesa you scratch your head at times

Robert quality 500 Mile doos like those have obviously been been hit with bop, terrible waste of a good doo, but it isn't home like some members on here like to believe because it didn't fancy a cold east wind from less than 100 miles.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

NOBODY IS LAUGHING AT ANYONE FRANK IT'S A SAD FACT THAT PIGEON RACING IS GETTING HARDER AND HARDER AND I WILL PROBABLY GET SHAFTED NEXT WEEK WHEN I START RACING ASWELL BUT SOME PEOPLE WERE WAITING ON 6'S AND 8'S TODAY I KNOW OF 1 GUY THAT HAS LOST 25% OF HIS TEAM IN 2 RACES :(

That's a lot of doos Alan, 25%? and from only 70 miles. One man in my own club has had two bad races also, but he believes that it must be down to a health problem. Remember reading an article by a vet that told if a study carried out at the start of a season in which 28% of pigeons of the pigeons in the baskets had paratyphoid???

[Guest TAMMY_1]

What Losses??? We've had 2 good races with almost 100% returns

 

 

 

wonder if you will be so cheery in 5 or 6 weeks when you get over 100 miles ?

[Guest TAMMY_1]

I reckon that the losses are down to the fact that we the rank and file allow a minority to decide what we are going to do. I think it is about time we stopped being dictated to by this minority. Pigeon Fanciers have a huge investment in their sport in time and money and for some reason are prepared to be dominated by just a few. I know that in the future I will have to take charge of my own affairs and try to make decisions to suit me.

I know that one of the English Feds cancelled the race and took the birds back to the various Clubs for the members to collect. Good on them I say. Our daft lot thought they could get away with liberating the birds at various points nearer to home which has resulted in massive losses and abuse to the pigeons that found themseves lost and exhausted in those foul conditions.

When we saw the extent of the terrible weather we the Members should have called a halt to it all and insisted that the birds be returned to their various Clubs. I know that some of the people I have spoken to are very upset and disappointed but I don't think that is good enough if we are prepared to allow this sort of thing to carry on. Surely we must take responsibility for our livestock and take steps to see that it is not abused or badly treated. I don't think it is good enough to throw our hands in the air and blame others for reponsiblities that are ours. And if by any chance the people who are looking after our birds do not want to see things our way, we would be wise to part with their services.

 

you could have been talking about our fed here Owen,some shocking decisions were made,firstly our race control team were wanting to cancel the race this weekend but were ordered by the president and secretary to have a race because some members said they would send birds in another fed so in order to make a few quid I would guess that at least half the birds are missing maybe more but certainly not less so after the presidents decision we shall see how much money he makes at this weeks race,secondly the birds should never have been liberated at such a late time on the day it was ,the president who is in the south certainly never took in to consideration the birds up north,another mistake was sending the transporter with a hired driver who was stuck because his tacho would not allow him to move when race controllers wanted to bring birds back early and were told they would have to wait till afternoon till the driver could drive and I know everybody has the choice to send but when you do send you expect the birds to be in safe hands and so like you Owen we ourselves will have to decide when and where the birds go because we can no longer rely on the officials to take proper care of our birds,we were lucky in the club by only losing HALF our birds and some other comments about birds not being able to stand a few hours flying in cold well two birds we have lost ,one of them flew saintes last year on the day ,530 miles and he had 3 other races to france,another cock flew 4 over the channel last year so they deserve a perch and a couple of comments from Lanarkshire members are out of order ,John Quinn is one who seems to be sneering about losses and he says what losses well your turn will come for sure and then we shall see what you say about losses and another from Gareth Rankin who says feds are not even at a hundred mile were plenty are well over it and he says birds that will not fly for a few hours don't deserve a perch well we shall see all the comments when Lanarkshire have a bad race,they have had plenty before and will get them again and I look forward to the comments then,it is never wise to gloat at anybody because it will come back to haunt you

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Lost three myself in two races but I have heard of worse than me laughing at others misfortune is a dangerous game

you are right Frank because everybody gets their turn and when that happens we shall see who is laughing

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Tam we will get our bad races, I have no problem with that, this is if the doos are giving a chance, and liberating doos in an east wind which is a little cold is giving the doos a chance.

 

No fed should cancel a race because its a little cold with east in the wind from a Sprint race. Your transport problem should be addressed as no federatiin should be restricted by haulage companies or drivers that have been hired.

 

Hope your races fair better for the rest of the season. ATB

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Tam we will get our bad races, I have no problem with that, this is if the doos are giving a chance, and liberating doos in an east wind with is a little cold is giving the doos a chance.

 

No fed should cancel a race because its a little cold with east in the wind from a Sprint race. Your transport problem should be addressed as no federatiin should be restricted by haulage companies or drivers that have been hired.

 

Hope your races fair better for the rest of the season. ATB

the north east wind down here Gareth was blowing trees over ,I would hardly call that a little east in the wind and yes you are right about the drivers ,it was all brought down to money which it seems is more important than birds

[buster151]

It blew my loft roof off all 18feet of it in one just lifted and took it away

[Guest TAMMY_1]

It blew my loft roof off all 18feet of it in one just lifted and took it away

 

 

what you mean a little east in the wind did that

[Guest stb-]

Robert quality 500 Mile doos like those have obviously been been hit with bop, terrible waste of a good doo, but it isn't home like some members on here like to believe because it didn't fancy a cold east wind from less than 100 miles.

Hi Gareth there will be alot of birds injured aswell as on sat the birds that over shot and went to far west were working back but were skimming over houses and fences to get as much shelter as poss flying very low back towards the east . Also a lot of pigeons being sent are not fitt and up to the mark to go anyway . some seem to throw loads in and cross there fingers .

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

It blew my loft roof off all 18feet of it in one just lifted and took it away

Bloody hell it must have been gale force down south,

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

HOPE YOU GET THINGS SORTED OUT MATE AND GET THEM BACK.///

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Bloody hell it must have been gale force down south,

that is exactly what it was Gareth on Saturday and Sunday and that is why race controllers wanted to cancel race not because of a little bit of east wind but they were overuled to make a few quid ,well there will be more than a few quid down in future races with lost revenue

[peter pandy]

I have 7 from 16 only 5 on the day from Appleby 113 miles racing with the Midland Fed on Saturday. This race has turned out for me to be the worst race for returns I have ever experienced in 55 years.

The answer to me lies in the fact I was refusing to train them due to the barometer reading 982 for the past 3 weeks and temperature never above 9 degrees at 100 ft above sea level. The long range forecast a week ago to-day was for the wind to continue from the N.E. into the foreseeable future which prompted me to give the 34 bird race team 1 toss at 25 miles last Wednesday with 2 missing. It was with amazement on awakening Saturday morning that there was SNOW covering the Ochil Hills at 300 ft so had to assume the same for the Southerland Uplands " Beatock Etc ". I can only congratulate those in Scotia with excellent returns but unfortunately I presume their will be a few like me.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

that is exactly what it was Gareth on Saturday and Sunday and that is why race controllers wanted to cancel race not because of a little bit of east wind but they were overuled to make a few quid ,well there will be more than a few quid down in future races with lost revenue

Spoke to a man in south yorkshire this afternoon, his returns and fellow members returns were terrible, but puts this down to birds being liberated into rain combined with cold north east winds which were very strong.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Spoke to a man in south yorkshire this afternoon, his returns and fellow members returns were terrible, but puts this down to birds being liberated into rain combined with cold north east winds which were very strong.

 

I know for a fact ours were not liberated in rain because a member on here ,PIGEON_MAN has a club member who lives across from the site and the weather was bright and he could see for miles but he did say it was extremely cold and wished us luck as he said we would need it,unfortunately we never got any luck just a fed disaster

[novo10]

we were at 100mls appleby 20 at race 19 in 40mins other 1 3 hours behind and everybody in club much the same so keep it going

[Ian McKay]

Just watching this thread and wonder why:

 

None of you have video cams on board

 

What is an HGV driver supposed to do when his time is up, your officials MUST know how long the driver has Before you set him out

Yes it's costs but if you are not prepared to send two drivers it's NOT his fault (you won't pay his fines or the company's ones)

 

You MUST have known something about the weather before you set off

 

There is always someone who say's it was not right (raining, wind,transport not at race point, birds not watered,it's endless)

 

Simple fit video cam,s and trackers which we have but I can assure you it will NOT stop bad race,s unfortunately it will make the picture somewhat clearer

 

Only my thoughts

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Just watching this thread and wonder why:

 

None of you have video cams on board

 

What is an HGV driver supposed to do when his time is up, your officials MUST know how long the driver has Before you set him out

Yes it's costs but if you are not prepared to send two drivers it's NOT his fault (you won't pay his fines or the company's ones)

 

You MUST have known something about the weather before you set off

 

There is always someone who say's it was not right (raining, wind,transport not at race point, birds not watered,it's endless)

 

Simple fit video cam,s and trackers which we have but I can assure you it will NOT stop bad race,s unfortunately it will make the picture somewhat clearer

 

Only my thoughts

You have always been ahead of the game Ian and more feds should follow suit :emoticon-0137-clapping:

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

I THINK THEY ARE PUTTING MONEY BEFORE THE BIRDS.