Imported Birds Dying

[Guest bigda]

Still waiting for test results

the only thing that can help you here, is baytril, and that can take 14days to get rid of dangerous bacteria, that wants to join in to the virus when the bird is at its weakest, viruses run there course but if you leave them its certain death. the old tried and tested way is to put your sick bird if you want to try and save it is put in a box with a heat lamp on it all day, shining down onto your bird, heat lamps seem to affect viruses more than any thing else if you dont have one get a box and pack your bird into it tight till it cant move about filled with straw.

[harry h]

the only thing that can help you here, is baytril, and that can take 14days to get rid of dangerous bacteria, that wants to join in to the virus when the bird is at its weakest, viruses run there course but if you leave them its certain death. the old tried and tested way is to put your sick bird if you want to try and save it is put in a box with a heat lamp on it all day, shining down onto your bird, heat lamps seem to affect viruses more than any thing else if you dont have one get a box and pack your bird into it tight till it cant move about filled with straw.

 

And set fire to it.

[Guest Owen]

I can not imagine what could have caused this problem but I am sure we will all learn from it. I see that Baytril was mentioned. I reckon that a lot of the problems involving pigeon health are caused by using things such as Baytril. I think that sometimes people think that Baytril has brain and will only kill off harmful bacteria leaving the useful bacteria to carry on doing it's job. The reality is that strong antibiotics kill everything leaving the body in a very weakened state which is often exploited by by other disease organisms that happen to be around at the time. In addition to that there is plenty of evidence to show that the harmful bugs become immune to antibiotics through time which leaves the body defenceless. I have found evidence to show that in the days when I used antibiotics I would end up with serious yeast infections almost as a matter of course. I think we must be close to the situation where infected birds should be put down because most of the time they will be useless for racing and breeding and I doubt whether proping up sick birds is wise in the long run.

[Guest bigda]

I can not imagine what could have caused this problem but I am sure we will all learn from it. I see that Baytril was mentioned. I reckon that a lot of the problems involving pigeon health are caused by using things such as Baytril. I think that sometimes people think that Baytril has brain and will only kill off harmful bacteria leaving the useful bacteria to carry on doing it's job. The reality is that strong antibiotics kill everything leaving the body in a very weakened state which is often exploited by by other disease organisms that happen to be around at the time. In addition to that there is plenty of evidence to show that the harmful bugs become immune to antibiotics through time which leaves the body defenceless. I have found evidence to show that in the days when I used antibiotics I would end up with serious yeast infections almost as a matter of course. I think we must be close to the situation where infected birds should be put down because most of the time they will be useless for racing and breeding and I doubt whether proping up sick birds is wise in the long run.

sorry that you are scared to use baytril, as your doctor has no qualm about a prescription for it to treat people, if the good bacteria is killed and they are on the medication for 14 days it will only be bacteria free till it gets over the virus, and as for yeast that is not life threatening, and that can be treated at a later day, the point is to save a bird that you want to save. and as for the bird not making out to breed and win races well there has been birds win races after having twisted necks for 6 week gone on to shine, every one is quick to say natural immunity yes that is fine, but when birds come together that goes out the window, as there are not the same bacteria in every one lofts. and that is why, the good fanciers treat weekly, and leave nothing to chance. but it is down to every fancier and I believe it is illegal not to try and save your bird should it become sick.but that is just me.

[Guest bigda]

here is the real name for baytril and see what it can do for your sick birds if needed, so take it on board if you wish but like every thing else this is only a aid to help you save your bird so its up to you. bigda here to help. Enrofloxacin is a synthetic chemotherapeutic agent from the class of the fluoroquinolone carboxylic acid derivatives. It has antibacterial activity against a broad spectrum of Gram-negative and Gram-positive bacteria. Its mechanism of action is not thoroughly understood, but it is believed to act by inhibiting bacterial DNA gyrase (a type-II topoisomerase), thereby preventing DNA supercoiling and DNA synthesis. It is effective against:

Pseudomonas aeruginosa

Klebsiella

Escherichia coli

Enterobacter

Campylobacter

Shigella

Salmonella

Aeromonas

Haemophilus

Proteus

Yersinia

Serratia

Vibrio

Brucella

Chlamydia trachomatis

Staphylococcus (including penicillinase-producing and methicillin-resistant strains)

Mycoplasma

Mycobacterium

Variable activity against:

Streptococcus

Ineffective against anaerobes

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[just ask me]

we dont even know what is wrong with the birds so we don't know what drug would be useful

 

baytril is a top drug if used in the right circumstances

 

also ive seen yeast and canker levels rise to such high levels when birds were seriously ill and after treatment where it had a massive effect on the birds that why in some cases other drugs are used as they can be used with drugs that are used to fight canker or high levels of yeast etc

 

i think until the tests come back and the fanciers get expert advice needed we shouldn't comment on how to treat when most of us have not even see the birds

 

just hope these people can get sorted as quick as possible

[Guest bigda]

we dont even know what is wrong with the birds so we don't know what drug would be useful

 

baytril is a top drug if used in the right circumstances

 

also ive seen yeast and canker levels rise to such high levels when birds were seriously ill and after treatment where it had a massive effect on the birds that why in some cases other drugs are used as they can be used with drugs that are used to fight canker etc

 

i think until the tests come back and the fanciers get expert advice needed we shouldn't comment on how to treat when most of us have not even see the birds

 

just hope these people can get sorted as quick as possible

i have listed what it can do, and i am sure it will be the first thing used, in the combat zone.

[Guest bigda]

I would say its a virus, and it has to run its course, with the help of baytril.

and if the bird takes strahpyicoocus it will die in 2 days, and it dose not go light or hunchy sorry that is ontop of the virus

[just ask me]

i have listed what it can do, and i am sure it will be the first thing used, in the combat zone.

 

 

not all the time bigda as sometimes a combination of other drugs are more useful in certain circumstances baytril while a great drug as a limited use as it often can not be used with other drugs

 

as i said if we dont know whats wrong how can we know what to treat with

[Guest david gingell]

Still no mention of what disease we are dealing with, presumably awaiting test results, unlikely to be PMV as we vaccinate for this

i can tell you its definately not pmv.

[Guest david gingell]

I can not imagine what could have caused this problem but I am sure we will all learn from it. I see that Baytril was mentioned. I reckon that a lot of the problems involving pigeon health are caused by using things such as Baytril. I think that sometimes people think that Baytril has brain and will only kill off harmful bacteria leaving the useful bacteria to carry on doing it's job. The reality is that strong antibiotics kill everything leaving the body in a very weakened state which is often exploited by by other disease organisms that happen to be around at the time. In addition to that there is plenty of evidence to show that the harmful bugs become immune to antibiotics through time which leaves the body defenceless. I have found evidence to show that in the days when I used antibiotics I would end up with serious yeast infections almost as a matter of course. I think we must be close to the situation where infected birds should be put down because most of the time they will be useless for racing and breeding and I doubt whether proping up sick birds is wise in the long run.

i agree with your statement and in this case baytril is inefective.

[peter pandy]

If DEFRA is involved I sincerely hope they have changed their methods as I have experienced involvement with them when birds were going down like flies they only and I repeat only tested for PMV as they were not concerned in finding out what the cause was.

My own feeling was that Baytril injected by a previous manager had killed the immune system and left them totally defenceless.

[tiger]

was down in porth and had a few loft visits all the birds i seen were in good nick ,

[PIGEON_MAN]

was down in porth and had a few loft visits all the birds i seen were in good nick ,

Each to his own but I would of thought that was a very stupid thing to do going visiting lofts in a area where a unknown disease,virus call it what you will is,look well if youve took something back to your own lofts and wipe them out.

[tiger]

o well each his own i would have not went in into any loft that did not think was right and futher more not all have it

[Guest bigda]

WITH A VIRUS, if they kill the bird, you kill the virus and it will tell them nothing, circo virus 1 or 2 DIES WITH the bird the only thing it will show up is a enlarged splean.