Distance Feeding Discussion

[Guest RJefferies]

On a few occasions i have read about uk fanciers feeding beans when flying long distance. The loft report articles did not go into much detail about it. I found it very interesting and would like to know more about this method of feeding, e.g., duration and type of beans etc.

[Wiley]

On a few occasions i have read about uk fanciers feeding beans when flying long distance. The loft report articles did not go into much detail about it. I found it very interesting and would like to know more about this method of feeding, e.g., duration and type of beans etc.

 

Tony c, could say something on this subject he done something very similar as a test I believe and it payed off

[Tony C]

Tony c, could say something on this subject he done something very similar as a test I believe and it payed off

 

http://forum.pigeonb...hl__Tic%20Beans

[OLDYELLOW]

On a few occasions i have read about uk fanciers feeding beans when flying long distance. The loft report articles did not go into much detail about it. I found it very interesting and would like to know more about this method of feeding, e.g., duration and type of beans etc.

most of the southern flyers that fly Barcelona have birds on open hole and hopper feed Tic-beans

[Guest bluemorning]

most of the southern flyers that fly Barcelona have birds on open hole and hopper feed Tic-beans

 

i once read that pigeons can turn protien into carbs but not the other way round

[Wiley]

i once read that pigeons can turn protien into carbs but not the other way round

 

Thought protein can only turn into fat which is a better energy source then carbs?

[Guest bluemorning]

The only downside to peanuts that I'm aware of is that they can be subject to fungal contamination if kept in warm humid conditions (temps of 30C +). Some peeps nuke them in the microwave for 10 seconds before feeding them to the pigeons to kill off any potential fungus. I myself buy peanuts from a health shop and keep them in the fridge.

 

once stored peanuts if the wifes knickers,speaking of damp humid conditions killed the all :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

 

once stored peanuts if the wifes knickers,speaking of damp humid conditions killed them all :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

 

Thought protein can only turn into fat which is a better energy source then carbs?

you could be right mate not sure

[Guest RJefferies]

http://forum.pigeonb...hl__Tic%20Beans

[Guest RJefferies]

Thanks for the link Tony C, it made for interesting reading.

[Tony C]

 

 

Another thing that cropped up quiet common was the use of duck or goose fat prior to the race on the grains.

 

Often read continentals also feed them cheese as well as sheep fat ( which I believe is suet )

[peter pandy]

I will give you all the Eddie Newcombe Mix 30% peanuts 30% new beans 30% american maize 5% wheat 5% layers pellets no additives were given

except oyster shell grit. This mix won from 60 - 650 miles.

Before you all start running out to purchase the above I will elaborate and break down the above adding a bit more food for thought.

Peanuts are acidic so its advisable to give oyster shell grit for its hydrochloric acid content.

New beans are acidic so the same applies.

Maize is acidic so same applies.

Wheat is acidic so same applies.

Oyster shell grit although termed an acid is an alkali and a couple of pieces neutralises the acid content just as you would take something for heartburn, Pigeons are not as stupid as we may be led to believe. The HCL test is your nose, if you open a bag and it does not reek of HCL then its not worth buying.

To take this a further step New beans are bitter due to their acidity however if you store them for 1 - 2 years the acid converts to sugar and on their own would give an excellent feed for any distance.

Eddie bought his maize direct from the boats docked at leith which was never cleaned. The powdier the better he used to say.

Peanuts were skinned and vacuum packed at source for human consumption not the dried out nuts that are available. The peanut test is to place a nut on a hard surface and bash it with a hammer, if the oil does not spurt out then its dry and uselss. "Same test for linseed".

 

To conclude. At Blackpool I was admiring the feedstuff on display at the Bamfords stand and asked if the mixture was made up with new beans due to them being a beautiful mahogany colour and the reply I recieved was YES. I am quite sure reading this other forum members would have agreed if they too had admired the mixes on show however to get new beans which are pale into a mahogany colour would have to have been put through a rotating drum with something along the lines of bees wax added. No wonder we get problems.

I hope this has enlightened some of the members queeries.

[Wiley]

Very interesting reading peter

[peter pandy]

I worked in the experimental pharmaceutical industry and used to do P.H.s on many things and I believe Eddie was the first fancier I knew of who fed Oyster shell grit to the birds. We had a few discussions on why but he always proved to be doing the right thing.

[Diamond dave]

Lee has said that the only feed that they give the birds on route to a distance race is maize and several members have said that they would include maize in the build up. I would have to question whether that would do the birds any good. From what I have been told and read, maize delivers a "punch" to the birds through like a sugar rush. If this is correct then surely if the birds are on route for 3 or 4 days, they will be jumping up and down in the basket by the 2nd day expending all thier energy prior to release. - would anyone else agree or is there some other reason that maize is fed.

 

Mine is only limited experience but I am very interested in the distance and really enjoying this thread - keep your thoughts coming lads.

 

D.D.

[clockman]

most of the southern flyers that fly Barcelona have birds on open hole and hopper feed Tic-beans

Some say beans are for horses,

[peter pandy]

CORRECT !!!! Racehorses of the sky.

[Guest LBuddle]

most of the southern flyers that fly Barcelona have birds on open hole and hopper feed Tic-beans

 

Not here OLDYELLOW

Never fed a Tic-Bean, to high in protein for us

[Wiley]

Lee has said that the only feed that they give the birds on route to a distance race is maize and several members have said that they would include maize in the build up. I would have to question whether that would do the birds any good. From what I have been told and read, maize delivers a "punch" to the birds through like a sugar rush. If this is correct then surely if the birds are on route for 3 or 4 days, they will be jumping up and down in the basket by the 2nd day expending all thier energy prior to release. - would anyone else agree or is there some other reason that maize is fed.

 

Mine is only limited experience but I am very interested in the distance and really enjoying this thread - keep your thoughts coming lads.

 

D.D.

 

It's the process of carbohydrate loading exactly the same as protein loading, as you are filling up their bodies with more then they actually require carbs and protein that cannot be used immediately converts to fat, which is the best energy source available

[Guest LBuddle]

A lot of talk on the peanut front with no mention of peanut oil as an alternative.

 

For a feed the size of peanuts are they really very valuable to our pigeons??

 

or

 

Is most of the nut of little use and an uneccessary strain on the birds digestion??

 

Interested to hear the forum's thoughts.Are you a nutter??

 

We also think they struggle to digest them and that is why we use Sunflower Hearts instead.

[OLDYELLOW]

Not here OLDYELLOW

Never fed a Tic-Bean, to high in protein for us

Think I read a Barcelona report a few years back definitely no longer than two to five years ago most of the timers were all similarly housed and fed similar routine = open hole, But more about homing from that kind of distance , think same report mentioned an old cock bird that had been timed many times think was about 16 years old by a fancier in France, I've also not fed a tic bean in many years

[OLDYELLOW]

A lot of talk on the peanut front with no mention of peanut oil as an alternative.

 

For a feed the size of peanuts are they really very valuable to our pigeons??

 

or

 

Is most of the nut of little use and an uneccessary strain on the birds digestion??

 

Interested to hear the forum's thoughts.Are you a nutter??

 

I use a small amount of groundnut oil have fer years Peanuts are near enough pure energy

[R.A.M.C.63]

I will give you all the Eddie Newcombe Mix 30% peanuts 30% new beans 30% american maize 5% wheat 5% layers pellets no additives were given

except oyster shell grit. This mix won from 60 - 650 miles.

Before you all start running out to purchase the above I will elaborate and break down the above adding a bit more food for thought.

Peanuts are acidic so its advisable to give oyster shell grit for its hydrochloric acid content.

New beans are acidic so the same applies.

Maize is acidic so same applies.

Wheat is acidic so same applies.

Oyster shell grit although termed an acid is an alkali and a couple of pieces neutralises the acid content just as you would take something for heartburn, Pigeons are not as stupid as we may be led to believe. The HCL test is your nose, if you open a bag and it does not reek of HCL then its not worth buying.

To take this a further step New beans are bitter due to their acidity however if you store them for 1 - 2 years the acid converts to sugar and on their own would give an excellent feed for any distance.

Eddie bought his maize direct from the boats docked at leith which was never cleaned. The powdier the better he used to say.

Peanuts were skinned and vacuum packed at source for human consumption not the dried out nuts that are available. The peanut test is to place a nut on a hard surface and bash it with a hammer, if the oil does not spurt out then its dry and uselss. "Same test for linseed".

 

To conclude. At Blackpool I was admiring the feedstuff on display at the Bamfords stand and asked if the mixture was made up with new beans due to them being a beautiful mahogany colour and the reply I recieved was YES. I am quite sure reading this other forum members would have agreed if they too had admired the mixes on show however to get new beans which are pale into a mahogany colour would have to have been put through a rotating drum with something along the lines of bees wax added. No wonder we get problems.

I hope this has enlightened some of the members queeries.

Sorry Wat is HCL ?? is it hydrochloric acid.

[Diamond dave]

"It's the process of carbohydrate loading exactly the same as protein loading, as you are filling up their bodies with more then they actually require carbs and protein that cannot be used immediately converts to fat, which is the best energy source available"

 

Wiley, thankyou for explaining the conversion of the maize - that makes a lot of sense but is it still a good idea to give them that while they are in the basket from day 1 - I still think they would be "tripping" out in the basket. Surely this would lead to fighting in the crates and expending a lot of energy.

D.D

[Diamond dave]

Can anyone tell me how to refer to someones elses post i.e. how do yo get the post in a box.....?

[Tony C]

At the bottom of each post you'll see three boxes, click on the reply button whick will open up a window for you to reply.