experienced pigeon men taking jobs

[Walter swanston]

Here is a new topic for you!! Is there anyone on this site who has an opinion on why it is so difficult, in fact almost impossible to find experienced pigeon fanciers who are willing to take any part in the organisation and day to day running of pigeon clubs or federations.I have been told that taking on a prominent post in a pigeon organisation is like walking into a gas chamber and locking the door behind you-----------------this from a prominent national flyer

[dal2]

Here is a new topic for you!! Is there anyone on this site who has an opinion on why it is so difficult, in fact almost impossible to find experienced pigeon fanciers who are willing to take any part in the organisation and day to day running of pigeon clubs or federations.I have been told that taking on a prominent post in a pigeon organisation is like walking into a gas chamber and locking the door behind you-----------------this from a prominent national flyer

 

Not for some folk Walter Mate. Unlike you who,imo,are doin a fab job!

[pjc]

It's a thankless task, you are expected to wipe members arses 24/7, very few agree with what you do and even fewer want your job!

When you stand down/resign you are the best thing since sliced bread!

[JohnQuinn]

For me the answers are quite simple really Walter, Fanciers in general prefer the CRITIC role because their lives/heads are so EMPTY they are TOO BUSY to take on even a MINOR role in their clubs/feds/unions............ but have all the time in the world to sit about and slag off the men doing the job. jmo.

 

I would just say its NO DIFFERENT in any other organisation where a diverse group join together to pursue a common interest, be it Darts, Pool, Snooker,Amateur Football Clubs etc etc etc, No Different! Just says a lot about the people around you.

[victorious]

been there got the tee shirt 1st year great then members treat u like .... and expect you to run after them with for various things then races etc are reschelded due to weather if their not all informed, well o dear trouble begins .so really this is 2012 secs wont and dont need this hassel.

[bewted]

as the old saying goes,,,,,,,pigeon men are there own worse enemy,,,,,think about it and not arguing with anyone over it !

[glenrandal]

seems like the club members like a rant now and then but the lads who step up to do the thankless roles are supposed to take all the sh-t and get on with running clubs feds etc but without them the club or fed cannot exist

[Roland]

Some good posts there. Mostly 100% true, or there abouts.

It is the 'Behind the Hand' lobby and the Corridor Politics' that hurt and cause so much hassle and undoing of any purposeful and worthwhile job / ruling.

When I was president I hauled up some whom never lifted a finger to help, clotted up[ the bar or engage in 'things that should be'. Told them to pull their wieght and do their bit. Next week the same... so 15 minutes to to before transporter arrived I went in with the 'Workers' and told them 'If you want your birds to go, you had better start putting them through the ringer WATCHED by me and the Sec'.

They did it under protest. A rota was soon set up and it worked well, even for 3 /4 to stay behind and load the wagon.

they out voted me the next season and things went back to what they were.

Fund - raiser, events and club shows are ignored ... till it's time to decide what to do with the money others have raised. 'I know, pay it out in prize money etc.

I have a split problem now. I have offered to train the birds 60 miles to me, 48 - 50 to most of them.

Some want to pay by birdage, some per member.

I stated and proposed, that it will be by the 'Crate'. they have to buy one, and it will go twice a week regardless whether they send their birds or not! And they will be comitted to pay either £3 or £5 tops per toss. 2 tosses will be either £6 or £10 per week. No buying crates after the first week. Now I don't know about you on here, but for me to send my birds 50 miles twice a week, to be home to watch them return, or not have to rush home after work to drive there, or before work for £6 - most likely would be £8 a week is flipping good. But I have trouble getting it through because they are argueing aboiut who will be better off, and not as to how they benefit personally. I.e why should I be sending 10 birds pay the same as him that is sending 30 birds.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

For me the answers are quite simple really Walter, Fanciers in general prefer the CRITIC role because their lives/heads are so EMPTY they are TOO BUSY to take on even a MINOR role in their clubs/feds/unions............ but have all the time in the world to sit about and slag off the men doing the job. jmo.

 

I would just say its NO DIFFERENT in any other organisation where a diverse group join together to pursue a common interest, be it Darts, Pool, Snooker,Amateur Football Clubs etc etc etc, No Different! Just says a lot about the people around you.

 

 

100% correct John

[Tony C]

You cant let it bother you Walter, why let them sour the taste for the game you no doubt love.

[paddymac]

I have to say that I have stood down from being secretary of my local club after almost 10 years and have to say that most members appreciate the work that is done around the club and the role of the secretary. The problem I found was the older club men, its "MY Club" brigade who sit in the a**e and ridicule everything you try to do for the better of the club, but try invite them on board and they don't want to know. The ordinary fancier in the club also follows suit to avoid any ridicule from the clic and sits or stands quietly in the background just wanting to race their birds without the hassle jmo.

[Roland]

I have to say that I have stood down from being secretary of my local club after almost 10 years and have to say that most members appreciate the work that is done around the club and the role of the secretary. The problem I found was the older club men, its "MY Club" brigade who sit in the a**e and ridicule everything you try to do for the better of the club, but try invite them on board and they don't want to know. The ordinary fancier in the club also follows suit to avoid any ridicule from the clic and sits or stands quietly in the background just wanting to race their birds without the hassle jmo.

 

How very true.

[Guest KING BILLY]

Here is a new topic for you!! Is there anyone on this site who has an opinion on why it is so difficult, in fact almost impossible to find experienced pigeon fanciers who are willing to take any part in the organisation and day to day running of pigeon clubs or federations.I have been told that taking on a prominent post in a pigeon organisation is like walking into a gas chamber and locking the door behind you-----------------this from a prominent national flyer

ASK BUDGIE

[Walter swanston]

ASK BUDGIE

 

All right sounds intrigueing >I ask Budgie

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

SOME WANT PATS ON THE BACK .WHEN ITS KICKS ON THE ARS??? THEY SHOULD BE GETTING.

[Guest KING BILLY]

All right sounds intrigueing >I ask Budgie

HOW MANY POSTS HES HELD IN THE 2 CLUBS HES IN HES POUT MORE POSTS ON HER LOL

[Guest KING BILLY]

For me the answers are quite simple really Walter, Fanciers in general prefer the CRITIC role because their lives/heads are so EMPTY they are TOO BUSY to take on even a MINOR role in their clubs/feds/unions............ but have all the time in the world to sit about and slag off the men doing the job. jmo.

 

I would just say its NO DIFFERENT in any other organisation where a diverse group join together to pursue a common interest, be it Darts, Pool, Snooker,Amateur Football Clubs etc etc etc, No Different! Just says a lot about the people around you.

THEN YOU GET THE OTHERS WHO ARE AFRADE IN CASE THAYS MISS OUT ON ANYTHING AND TAKE EVERY POST THAY CAN GET THARE GRUBY HANDS ON LOL

[nogin]

GOOD POST MR BILLY :emoticon-0137-clapping:

[budgie]

GOOD POST MR BILLY :emoticon-0137-clapping:

Good Post Mr Billy what a Quack ??

[TOMMY R]

The AGM is one of the few times pigeonmen become religious

when it comes to election of officials

they all bow look to the floor and pray some one takes the post

[alex wight]

I,ve been in the sport for 6 years. In my 2nd year i was appointed secretary of my club, also a councillor, oh and ran the ets. I had an arson attack on my loft but still kept going, for 3 members to threaten their resignation if i didnt kick one of our members out of a race, for something they thought was wrong. It wasnt wrong, and they didnt resign. I then moved clubs to be appointed race secretary and ets operator, to then be elected as secretary in my 2nd year. I enjoy doing the job, but one of our members threatened the club as he wasnt happy about not getting an ets system (due to not attending any races). The crap that i had to do after my full time job and sometimes during it, was bang out of order, our agm is soon and this will be dealt with. Our fed agm is this sunday, and we need a secretary............ my name was put forward, and i have refused due to, working full time, the work i do for my club and also a 4yr old boy and wife. I cant believe for the life of me, why the 4th youngest and one of the least experienced fanciers is being considered for such a post, and also president. I wait to see the outcome on sunday, but as you say, its the mouth pieces that do all the shouting but do very little to support the club or fed that they are in, that forces the guys in the positions to walk, due to the abuse.

[dal2]

I have never held a position in the club or fed and have very little incling to do so!

[Diamond dave]

Any club/fed or organisation is only as good as it's management. I'm sure that many of us have experienced what happens when you get a bad club secretary or chairman - usually chaos or things dont get done properly.

It is usually always "the same old few" that take these positions but to be honest, given the option, I would always prefer someone with experience and intelligence who is competent in the role than some-one who does it because no-one else wants to.

It is unfair to blame "Pigeon Men" for this as it is the same in any sport or any organisation where commitees are involved.

 

D.D.

[Walter swanston]

Any club/fed or organisation is only as good as it's management. I'm sure that many of us have experienced what happens when you get a bad club secretary or chairman - usually chaos or things dont get done properly.

It is usually always "the same old few" that take these positions but to be honest, given the option, I would always prefer someone with experience and intelligence who is competent in the role than some-one who does it because no-one else wants to.

It is unfair to blame "Pigeon Men" for this as it is the same in any sport or any organisation where commitees are involved.

 

D.D.

 

I feel your absolutely correct sir when you say that an organisation is only as good as its management.I am president of our federation and secretary of our club and I hold these positions because I was asked to do so.I started this thread because I sometimes feel at a loss when dealing with experienced and successful pigeon men.I keep and race pigeons because I like the whole business and the day to day activities required around a loft.However I can identify good fanciers who could be an asset to our management.An no I will not name names

[Roland]

The AGM is one of the few times pigeonmen become religious

when it comes to election of officials

they all bow look to the floor and pray some one takes the post

 

Yep then most of them whinge, cast aspertions, belittle and stick out chest asking 'Just how easy is it...' and seek more work for the workers.

Trouble is that the reality ALL nigh say the same as if it was SOME OTHER person doing it.