Sparrowhawk Attack In Loft

[PATTY BHOY]

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/190389-hawk-trap/

[cemetary]

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/190389-hawk-trap/

 

 

Thats one owe them mate, then you relocate it awe from your birds,

[Blue Chequer Pied]

Sorry to hear that John. I have been plagued by them up here in Forres. They are a bloody nightmare.

 

Keep your chin up mate.

 

All the best,

 

Paul.

[john cumming]

i know it might be too late but take photographic evidence and get it sent to the shu. Get it on this sight and show the anoraks what carnage they are allowing to happen. can you imagine human-beings protecting murdering human-beings, the land would be full of murderers, JUST LIKE WHAT IS HAPPENING WITHIN THE BIRD POPULATION.

i have taken pictures just not had time to upload them yet, will get round to it??

[cemetary]

i have taken pictures just not had time to upload them yet, will get round to it??

 

 

Make sure you have the *expletive removed* baited the morra fir it mate, awe yous doo gooders, GIRUY, pigeon men fight back,

[john cumming]

yip a know, i get hammered here every year and i deal with it the way they aught to be dealt with. Treat them with the contempt they deserve. I had one of the murder protectors at my door asking for support, i let him speel the awfiest load o shitte, and then offered him a tour of my lofts the spineless basket declined, probably knew it wasnt safe. I only wanted to show him what the doos felt when an unwanted guest arrives at THEIR HOME. we keep going around in circles with this, but in my eyes there is only one answer. SO TO THE ANORAKS, YOU PROTECT YOUR BIRDS AND WE WILL PROTECT OURS.....DEAL OR NO DEAL.......FECKING DEAL, ANY PROBLEMS KNOCK THE DOOR.

 

here here!! i did the day

[billt]

Make sure you have the *expletive removed* baited the morra fir it mate, awe yous doo gooders, GIRUY, pigeon men fight back,

Surely there can be no argument against us trying to protect our birds in our own gardens or even lofts

[alex wight]

Surely there can be no argument against us trying to protect our birds in our own gardens or even lofts

 

 

i couldnt care less what the supposed rule is, what ever/who ever trespasses my property takes the consequence's. i,m sure if it went to a court of law, they would be paid off, and we would be shafted at the same time. so protect whats yours, in whatever way you feel is appropriate.

[john cumming]

i couldnt care less what the supposed rule is, what ever/who ever trespasses my property takes the consequence's. i,m sure if it went to a court of law, they would be paid off, and we would be shafted at the same time. so protect whats yours, in whatever way you feel is appropriate.

 

well i protected mine the day all be after two youngsters were killed?? my property my law

[yeboah]

Forget this part her going to nest this part disnae come into it rules of engagement simple EYE FOR AN EYE Primary school teacher told me over forty five years ago, ( Do unto others as you wish them to do unto you ) Best advice i was ever given good luck .

[tiger]

just back was workin in Glasgow city centre < west george st > seen a pair of peregrines

[hawked again]

I think the whole Moray coast is crawling with them now. Paul's gettin nae peace in Forres and I'm gettin hammered in Inverness. We lost our one a week past Tuesday then she wis back again yesterday. Jist when we thought it wis safe. Somebody said on here they dont hunt in the rain. The one that was on my aviary yesterday was drippin wet. It was beltin doon way wet snaw but she wis still huntin.

[tiger]

I think the whole Moray coast is crawling with them now. Paul's gettin nae peace in Forres and I'm gettin hammered in Inverness. We lost our one a week past Tuesday then she wis back again yesterday. Jist when we thought it wis safe. Somebody said on here they dont hunt in the rain. The one that was on my aviary yesterday was drippin wet. It was beltin doon way wet snaw but she wis still huntin.

thats handy if you get what i mean

[john cumming]

I think the whole Moray coast is crawling with them now. Paul's gettin nae peace in Forres and I'm gettin hammered in Inverness. We lost our one a week past Tuesday then she wis back again yesterday. Jist when we thought it wis safe. Somebody said on here they dont hunt in the rain. The one that was on my aviary yesterday was drippin wet. It was beltin doon way wet snaw but she wis still huntin.

 

yes the place is knee deep in raptors along the moray coast, between buckie and portsoy along the cliffs there are many peregrine sites and we often see them around the mouth of the river spey, in the buckie area we seem to be plagued more by sparrow hawks than anything else?? and believe me they hunt in the rain as i found out to my cost yesterday when the hen sparrow hawk entered my loft, but they dont like becoming the hunted as one found out yesterday?? things must be pretty deperate if the sparrow hawk comes through the bob wires to get at the birds??

 

bottom line is that there are far to many " BOPS " in almost every area of the country and the problem i think will not get any better unless some kind of population control on the bop is in place so a more equal balance between raptors and the song birds/pigeons ect. at the rate the bops are breeding the food chain in the bird population cannot be sustained as it is, most bird populations have declined over the years and the funny thing is according to RSPB it is never the raptors that are to blame???

[Guest IB]

totally gutted

 

just had a sparrowhawk kill two younsters in the loft around 4pm today, i had the birds out and had started shaking the birds in, as they started landing on the loft they took off again not thinking anything of it filled the food scoop and headed to the loft, upon the loft door being opened was met by total carnage?? two younsters on the floor dead all the other birds off the eggs and a hen sparrow hawk going loopy bouncing off walls n windows trying to get out!!!!! the birds were actually frozen stiff with fear litterely sat on top of one another never seen anything like it.the sparrow hawk went straight throught the bob wires to get in and it happened so quickly less than a minute i would say as i had only came from the loft to the feed shed to get the corn, to say im raging is the understatement of the year

 

makes me wonder if its worth the time and effort racing the birds when you see this happening and im not surprised so many fanciers have ceased racing the pigeons when this is happening all the time

 

john

 

Hi John, sorry about your bother. Just wondering about this 'new' behaviour:- has this sparrowhawk been watching from cover as your birds have gone into the loft, and learned how to get in?

 

The other thing I wondered about is the timing you give for the attack. It takes more than a minute to kill the pigeon, videos on here are nasty to watch, but the one thing I've learned from them is its far from a quick kill. Could it be that the hawk was already in your loft for a while before you disturbed it? I've never used bob wires, I know they let the birds in and prevent them getting back out, but in this case that's just what your birds needed - a way to escape, so I think we all need to look anew at the trapping systems we all use and take for granted. Mine is an open door and I nearly had a hawk follow my birds in through it. There was a tree between me and the hawk that hid us from each other until very last moment. There's no tree there now.

[john cumming]

Hi John, sorry about your bother. Just wondering about this 'new' behaviour:- has this sparrowhawk been watching from cover as your birds have gone into the loft, and learned how to get in?

 

The other thing I wondered about is the timing you give for the attack. It takes more than a minute to kill the pigeon, videos on here are nasty to watch, but the one thing I've learned from them is its far from a quick kill. Could it be that the hawk was already in your loft for a while before you disturbed it? I've never used bob wires, I know they let the birds in and prevent them getting back out, but in this case that's just what your birds needed - a way to escape, so I think we all need to look anew at the trapping systems we all use and take for granted. Mine is an open door and I nearly had a hawk follow my birds in through it. There was a tree between me and the hawk that hid us from each other until very last moment. There's no tree there now.

me & my next door neighbour who races the birds to have seen this sparrow hawk for quite a while flying about wheather its been watching from a vantage point i dont know, but it was defenately about 4pm and i had come from the loft after putting in a scoop of corn went into my store for a second scoop and walked back to the loft & for the lads on here that know where my loft is in relation to the store they are side by side. as i approached the loft i heard a commotion thinking it was two cocks having a barney as they do?? opened the loft door and here was the sparrow hawk on top of the second youngster tearing it to pieces the hawk flew straight at me trying to get out but hit the window then flew the rest of the length of the loft as the sliding door was open allowing the birds together,the hawk bouncing off walls windows causing terror within the birds, they are still not right yet, believe me it was no longer than a minute my neighbour can vouch for this as he came back outside as i was back in

trying to get the bop out of the loft??

[john cumming]

Sorry to hear that John. I have been plagued by them up here in Forres. They are a bloody nightmare.

 

Keep your chin up mate.

 

All the best,

 

Paul.

aye paul they are everywhere n the problem is only gettin worse, i was up your way the other day & between fochabers n forres i passed 4 different BOPS sitting on posts by the road side?? had the birds out the day for the first time since the attack got birds back in nae bother but they are still a bit flighty???

 

john

[Guest IB]

Thanks John, that's bloody incredible!

 

Hope your birds get back to their old selves soon.

[john cumming]

Thanks John, that's bloody incredible!

 

Hope your birds get back to their old selves soon.

had them out today for the first time since the attack, they flew well & trapped well enough but they are still a bit on the flighty side,

 

cheers

[Blue Chequer Pied]

aye paul they are everywhere n the problem is only gettin worse, i was up your way the other day & between fochabers n forres i passed 4 different BOPS sitting on posts by the road side?? had the birds out the day for the first time since the attack got birds back in nae bother but they are still a bit flighty???

 

john

 

Hi John,

 

I had a sparrowhawk kill a bird in the sputnick in 1992 when I raced in Aberdeen. The loft was in the middle of Aberdeen near Pittodrie. I had one to come from a race that day and nipped away from the alotment to return to find it eating my last arrival. The hawk went mad when it seen me and battered around the sputnick for a while before I relieved it of its stress with a set of keys. The result was that the other birds in the loft were a bag of nerves for a week. They were hanging off the walls for days at the slightest thing i.e a shadow passing the loft would set them off, a seagull wuld fly past and they would be on red alert. I kept them in for three days to calm them down.

 

Paul.

[hawked again]

Hi John,

 

I had a sparrowhawk kill a bird in the sputnick in 1992 when I raced in Aberdeen. The loft was in the middle of Aberdeen near Pittodrie. I had one to come from a race that day and nipped away from the alotment to return to find it eating my last arrival. The hawk went mad when it seen me and battered around the sputnick for a while before I relieved it of its stress with a set of keys. The result was that the other birds in the loft were a bag of nerves for a week. They were hanging off the walls for days at the slightest thing i.e a shadow passing the loft would set them off, a seagull wuld fly past and they would be on red alert. I kept them in for three days to calm them down.

 

Paul.

 

 

 

Hi Paul,

 

It was one of your latebreds that I lost to the sparrowhawk yesterday. The big blue fellow. To make things worse, my best two breeding pairs came off their nests, lucky I had floated an egg from each nest the day before.

 

Jim.

[john cumming]

Hi John,

 

I had a sparrowhawk kill a bird in the sputnick in 1992 when I raced in Aberdeen. The loft was in the middle of Aberdeen near Pittodrie. I had one to come from a race that day and nipped away from the alotment to return to find it eating my last arrival. The hawk went mad when it seen me and battered around the sputnick for a while before I relieved it of its stress with a set of keys. The result was that the other birds in the loft were a bag of nerves for a week. They were hanging off the walls for days at the slightest thing i.e a shadow passing the loft would set them off, a seagull wuld fly past and they would be on red alert. I kept them in for three days to calm them down.

 

Paul.

yes its pretty much the same here birds flighty as hell slightest thing & they were going off it, i havent even cleaned the lofts since saturday just leaving them in peace only checking that they were ok n feeding them, thats 3 i have had taken in two weeks, hughie next door has one gone missing and jimmy a few doors up the street had one taken about a week n a half ago we were wondering if it was the same hawk if so it wont kill another round here, what many ppl dont see is the aftermath of an attach by a raptor, the birds coming off eggs & youngsters and just how it often affects the form of the doo it can in many cases mess the birds up the whole season ??

john

[THE FIFER]

as I have mentioned before,would it be worth getting the RSPCA involved let them see what is happening, they are as big if not bigger than the RSPB, just a thought, take your dead birds to them or call them, they have places you take injured birds to, its cruelty to our birds

[Blue Chequer Pied]

Hi Paul,

 

It was one of your latebreds that I lost to the sparrowhawk yesterday. The big blue fellow. To make things worse, my best two breeding pairs came off their nests, lucky I had floated an egg from each nest the day before.

 

Jim.

 

I do believe the good ones taste better only joking pal. They are a menace. I am just not letting mine out. I have youngsters I took back from Belgium and they have been out twice just to get them used to going in and out. I will be weaning my first round in a week so they wont be out for a while either.

 

Speak to you soon,

 

Paul.

[Blue Chequer Pied]

yes its pretty much the same here birds flighty as hell slightest thing & they were going off it, i havent even cleaned the lofts since saturday just leaving them in peace only checking that they were ok n feeding them, thats 3 i have had taken in two weeks, hughie next door has one gone missing and jimmy a few doors up the street had one taken about a week n a half ago we were wondering if it was the same hawk if so it wont kill another round here, what many ppl dont see is the aftermath of an attach by a raptor, the birds coming off eggs & youngsters and just how it often affects the form of the doo it can in many cases mess the birds up the whole season ??

john

 

Hope you get a bit of respite now John but it wont be long until another one moves into the territory unfortunately. I think they way things are at this time of the year (and they are only going to get worse) it wont be long until we are all thinking about putting the start of the racing back and having a shorter season or racing later in the year.

 

Paul.