Paratyphus

[eastcoaster]

i`m giving para stop to the birds that are already paired with the intention off taking the eggs away that are layed during treatment ,my quiestion is what harm will it do to the yb`s (if allowed to hatch ) reared while they were treated in laying .

[Wiley]

id believe ud find many infertile eggs, they do say to give a months clearing before any pairing with any paratyphus treatment

[sammy]

id believe ud find many infertile eggs, they do say to give a months clearing before any pairing with any paratyphus treatment

 

 

 

dont know how this would happen wiley and if it does as yi say then it wouldnt be worthwhile using as if its capable of killing the sperm/emryo then its capable of doing a lot more damage to our birds than we think imo

[dal2]

dont know how this would happen wiley and if it does as yi say then it wouldnt be worthwhile using as if its capable of killing the sperm/emryo then its capable of doing a lot more damage to our birds than we think imo

 

 

Sammy, I looked into jagin this years ybs for paratyphus and the vet that I spoke to said it was very strong stuff and would clear eggs! Give them at least 2 weeks was the advice if givin to old birds.

[DJWa]

i`m giving para stop to the birds that are already paired with the intention off taking the eggs away that are layed during treatment ,my quiestion is what harm will it do to the yb`s (if allowed to hatch ) reared while they were treated in laying .

 

 

if you give it to birds that are already in egg then you are defeating the purpose

as if you have a problem it will be in the eggs aswell as the birds and they can re infect any old bird youve treated

as you say best remove any eggs and any laid in the following 2 or 3 weeks

 

dont know if your doing this but if treating with parastop

i treat every bird in my lofts at the same time

jmo

dave

[Guest peter4pm]

vaccination is the way to go ...all these powder treatments are not doing our birds any good at all ...just my opinion

[sammy]

vaccination is the way to go ...all these powder treatments are not doing our birds any good at all ...just my opinion

they also said that about paramyxo virus 30 odd year ago its the way to go and within a couple of years there wont be any paramyxo another case of pigeon fanciers being taken to the cleaners :cry-blow:

[eastcoaster]

if you give it to birds that are already in egg then you are defeating the purpose

as if you have a problem it will be in the eggs aswell as the birds and they can re infect any old bird youve treated

as you say best remove any eggs and any laid in the following 2 or 3 weeks

 

dont know if your doing this but if treating with parastop

i treat every bird in my lofts at the same time

jmo

dave

 

Thanks for your replys.

 

Yes mate am treating all my birds , and will be taking all egg`s away after 14 days , just wondered as i have`nt seen it written anywhere what would happen if you left them .

colin

[Delboy]

they also said that about paramyxo virus 30 odd year ago its the way to go and within a couple of years there wont be any paramyxo another case of pigeon fanciers being taken to the cleaners :cry-blow:

 

 

Very good post Sammy, agree 100% m8

[OLDYELLOW]

I wouldn't treat healthy birds for something they haven't been diagnosed with , there Natural immunity suffers every time you need to prop up with a medicine bottle unnecessarily , if one bird is weak I remove , as the saying goes one bad apple spoils the cart Keep buying medicines your birds don't need ruin them and after a few seasons you'l be clearing whole loft out as any medication needed won't have any effect due to them been abused and over used

[Guest IB]

I'm sure I read on the forum that parastop supplies in UK had been seized by VMD as it wasn't licensed for use here. I don't see this as red tape, veterinary medications for use here must meet certain standards and proofs 'that it does what it says on the tin', so parastop obviously hasn't done that. I think the label doesn't even say what's in it , that would be enough to stop me using it.

[DJWa]

I'm sure I read on the forum that parastop supplies in UK had been seized by VMD as it wasn't licensed for use here. I don't see this as red tape, veterinary medications for use here must meet certain standards and proofs 'that it does what it says on the tin', so parastop obviously hasn't done that. I think the label doesn't even say what's in it , that would be enough to stop me using it.

 

i can assure you it works

i had it in 2005 and it cleared my birds up no problem

they say 75 % of lofts have parathiphoid and dont know it

[Guest IB]

i can assure you it works

i had it in 2005 and it cleared my birds up no problem

they say 75 % of lofts have parathiphoid and dont know it

 

Take what you say Dave. What puzzles me is how 'they' know theres that much paratyphoid about? As you have had the disease you are probably the best to ask my next question: how did you know you had the disease?

[DJWa]

Take what you say Dave. What puzzles me is how 'they' know theres that much paratyphoid about? As you have had the disease you are probably the best to ask my next question: how did you know you had the disease?

 

i contacted a vet and relayed the symptoms which were serious

 

one eyed blindness when an eye turns milky white

swollen wing buts (unable to fly )

y/bs dying in the shell just as they are due to hatch and dying in the nest

at a few days old

 

lameness in thier legs

 

i was advised that with these symptoms it was para,e coli, sammonella

 

another fancier advised me to use parastop

and i never looked back

i treat every year after the moult as im not going to have that happen to my birds again

i had to remove most of my stock birds and a good few racers

dave

[gulkie]

I wouldn't treat healthy birds for something they haven't been diagnosed with , there Natural immunity suffers every time you need to prop up with a medicine bottle unnecessarily , if one bird is weak I remove , as the saying goes one bad apple spoils the cart Keep buying medicines your birds don't need ruin them and after a few seasons you'l be clearing whole loft out as any medication needed won't have any effect due to them been abused and over used

so how do you do as regards, preventative is better than cure? :emoticon-0138-thinking:

[OLDYELLOW]

so how do you do as regards, preventative is better than cure? :emoticon-0138-thinking:

I have the use of a good vet , done me no wrong for years , tests keep coming back clear , only ailment I've had is canker in young birds but have drawn my own conclusion to that and have changed my practises to see if that helps failing that treating for canker at the time of year I've been getting it will be done , as for preventing any ailment you wouldn't take medication for a headache just in case you may get one , and no point in treating healthy birds for ailments they don't have , birds must have a strong constitution , they already have natural immunity built up within the flock over the years , most birds that need medications to survive have had there immunity compromised and no doubt about it the day will come when there drugged life comes to an end and no drug will help because misused over a long period , go back to 60's if it ailed it went no vets but the birds were more robust, drugs only disguise the weak birds in the loft that need removing imo

[deb]

I have injected my birds four weeks ago.Most are now sitting fertile eggs,which I will leave to hatch.I think it is far more effctive injecting all of your stock,than useing exspensive powder treatments. Deb

[Guest IB]

i contacted a vet and relayed the symptoms which were serious

 

one eyed blindness when an eye turns milky white

swollen wing buts (unable to fly )

y/bs dying in the shell just as they are due to hatch and dying in the nest

at a few days old

 

lameness in thier legs

 

i was advised that with these symptoms it was para,e coli, sammonella

 

another fancier advised me to use parastop

and i never looked back

i treat every year after the moult as im not going to have that happen to my birds again

i had to remove most of my stock birds and a good few racers

dave

 

Thanks for that. Wouldn't wish that lot on anyone.

 

Unless I read your post wrong, my thoughts are that your vet did not specifically identify what the disease was, but from the symptoms given (over the phone?) reckoned it could have been paramyxovirus, e-coli or salmonella. These cause different diseases, all having much the same symptoms. I think staphylococcus and streptococcus infections and at least one other viral disease also share these symptoms.

 

I may be wrong (again ) but few of these diseased birds ever see a vet and get samples taken, so it's fanciers themselves that are making the diagnosis. I think that's why folk think that paratyphoid 'is rife' - bit like YBS, they may be describing same symptoms, but of different diseases. JMO.

[DJWa]

Thanks for that. Wouldn't wish that lot on anyone.

 

Unless I read your post wrong, my thoughts are that your vet did not specifically identify what the disease was, but from the symptoms given (over the phone?) reckoned it could have been paramyxovirus, e-coli or salmonella. These cause different diseases, all having much the same symptoms. I think staphylococcus and streptococcus infections and at least one other viral disease also share these symptoms.

 

I may be wrong (again ) but few of these diseased birds ever see a vet and get samples taken, so it's fanciers themselves that are making the diagnosis. I think that's why folk think that paratyphoid 'is rife' - bit like YBS, they may be describing same symptoms, but of different diseases. JMO.

your correct he didnt commit to a specific one without testing 1st

not 100% sure but i think the blindness is specific to para