kev01293 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 after giving the loft a good clean out i covered the floor with a layer of kiln dried sand from b&q but after a couple of days the sand on the loft floor has become damp? has anyone else had damp problems using sand? i used kiln dried sand cos i was told that normal sand carries worms/bugs but the kiln dried sand doesnt as it is heat treated :-/ im thinking that as it is kiln dried that its very absorbant and maybe its attracting moisture from the damp/rainy weather outside the loft? any ideas anyone kev :-/
OLDYELLOW Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 Hempcore is the best deep litter in my mind
Guest joshdonlan Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 Or easybed although i havent tried hempcore, but if Mark uses it its probs the dogs b's lol
Guest youngzimmy Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 never mind the deep litter a good skarp scraper is the answer
Guest shadow Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 if the sand got damp check the airflow through the loft if its sluggish that will let the sand get damp in muggy weather
DUBLINFLYER Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 never mind the deep litter a good skarp scraper is the answer a man that knows what he likes..... great answer mate fairplay
OLDYELLOW Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 never mind the deep litter a good skarp scraper is the answer i used to say the exact same thing scaped out twice a day everyday once a day in winter , my birds have never been so robust health wise
Guest spin cycle Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 after giving the loft a good clean out i covered the floor with a layer of kiln dried sand from b&q but after a couple of days the sand on the loft floor has become damp? has anyone else had damp problems using sand? i used kiln dried sand cos i was told that normal sand carries worms/bugs but the kiln dried sand doesnt as it is heat treated :-/ im thinking that as it is kiln dried that its very absorbant and maybe its attracting moisture from the damp/rainy weather outside the loft? any ideas anyone kev :-/ i wouldn't think the sand would attract moisture from outside...i tried sharp sand and used to find it dried out and started blowing about ..bare boards or deeplitter products ( like previous posts suggest )...i could never get on with sand (JMO)
jimmy white Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 yes i belive the old scraper is best,, but sometimes folks have a dissability or even work awkward times,, some just like deep litter , but any deep litter is ok [just your preferance] but as long as its bone dry ,, any dampness in deep litter is a haven for cocci and worms ,,,, but bone dry,, no probs
DOVEScot Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 We used builder sharp sand and stalosan F, it dried out no problem, the only thing was the crap stuck to it, we are now on easybed and stalosan, just keep raking it and sprinkle fresh stalosan over it
Guest IB Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 Dryness of deep liiter does seem to attract moisture from the air circulating thro the loft. Think its down to humidity levels, if air outside the loft is saturated with water droplets, stands to reason it'll be much the same inside it.
Guest youngzimmy Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 if there is the slitest damness in your floor boards kiln dried sand is sure to draw it out you would have to keep replacing it untill it eventualy stayed dry
harky Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 have used cat litter in the past but found it stuck to your feet when wet and trailed every where ,noticed one fancier i know had wind dust on his hut floor and he said it was as good as any deep litter hes tried
van Roberts Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 i would not use sand when it drys out just look under the birds wattle you will see a crust of sand in there cant be good for birds
Guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 I use 4-6" of easibed & hemcore mixed together also add lime to the mix
DOVEScot Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 have used cat litter in the past but found it stuck to your feet when wet and trailed every where ,noticed one fancier i know had wind dust on his hut floor and he said it was as good as any deep litter hes tried Versa laga now sell granuals similar to cat litter, £70 a 30l bag, but found it the same, stuck to your feet very easily
Guest youngzimmy Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 dry floor no dressing is best at least you can see any problems easily ie wet droppings and any unwanted things like mouse droppings and creepy crawlys i think the birds health is better with bare clean boards
DOVEScot Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 Dryness of deep liiter does seem to attract moisture from the air circulating thro the loft. Think its down to humidity levels, if air outside the loft is saturated with water droplets, stands to reason it'll be much the same inside it. We never get any dampness in our lofts no matter how damp it is out side, like I have said before protect from the southwesterlies
andy Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 Wooden floor grilles are best if you toil for time or daylight to clean out. Although I lift mine every weekend to clean out.
The Navigator Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 I use kiln sand and loft treatment mixed. Never had any issues.
Guest IB Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 We never get any dampness in our lofts no matter how damp it is out side, like I have said before protect from the southwesterlies Know what you are saying, but in my case its the back and gable end which take the south westerlies. Both are solid brick, with 9 plastic louvre-style ventilators along top of back wall. Tiled Pent roof, ventilated ridge; front faces east and is covered with keeps rain out-lets air in system sold by Petron Lofts. I have internal temperature and humidity gauges located at opposite ends of loft and their readings are much same as ambient weather conditions outside. Litter is now reduced to a scattering under perches, and have bought myself a 12" scraper All a need now is a JCB to fit it to.
DOVEScot Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 Litter is now reduced to a scattering under perches, and have bought myself a 12" scraper All a need now is a JCB to fit it to. Naw you need a woman like Chickadee ;D ;D ;D
cemetary Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 I use floor granules, they are good, i find them to be one of the best i have ever used, i have tried wood chips, the stick to your feet like hell.
Guest Freebird Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 Have used the kiln sand for around 6 months after a tip from Dovescott and I'm very pleased with it. Don't have any problem with damp at all so your loft must be leaking somewhere. I seive the sand every day except when I'm on the day shift (12 hours) in winter but just because that's the way I like it and it only takes 10 mins. I prefer this to bare boards but purely cosmetic as I like the look of it and the birds think they're on their holidays(evil)
Guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 Hempcore is the best deep litter in my mind Excuse my ignorance Mark, what's Hempcore please?
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