Next Day Returns/Sunday

[just ask me]

i think in the main it down to hawks a pair of percys hit a lib of young birds and they split heading in every direction and before they know it they are 100 mile or further in the wrong direction maybe even flying with the wind then the poor buggers have to turn around and face the wind with the stress of being attacked etc birds make mistakes

[WELSH WIZARD]

Nomore back today as of yet

[Ian McKay]

I agree that we cannot continue with these unexplained losses. I also agree that before long government and public opinion will turn against pigeon racing when and if knowledge of these losses becomes public knowledge, as it must. Legislation is already in place which forces a duty of care on all of us for our birds' welfare.

 

I'm not alone in thinking we need to get up in the air following and videoing our birds' liberations from the beginning through to them arriving into their home area.

 

Some sort of tracking device is also needed - small enough for the pigeon to carry on its ring - fitted to one bird per member, every race for a season.

 

No room for wild guesses or coming down on favourite excuses, we are already outside the law on care, stupid to make matters worse, like getting pigeon racing stopped for good.

 

 

Duty of care we totally fail on that one Ian

[degi]

We are to blame ourselves for the massive losses nowadays. 1. In Scotland there must have been a dozen different liberation points all getting released at similar times. Ive said it before, the governing bodies should be controlling all the races as they can communicate better with other unions and minimise clashing etc. There would be less race points used and more control on liberations 2. We sit back and let BOP destroy our sport.Every single one of you that doesnt do something about this is responsible for the demise of the sport.Ive heard people say, I cant let my birds out because of the BOP,etc etc Well do something about it then and dont ask me , what to do, you know exactly the right thing to do.Get off yer arses and fight back. 3. I have noticed these days that people take great pleasure in other peoples misfortune, what I mean is, if a fed has a disaster and the fed next to it libs later and gets a good race. This mentallity is killing the pigeon sport, wishing bad luck on fellow fanciers is a bloody disgrace.We must all have the same objective in this sport.

 

Too many disasters with no apparent reasons, well it is now time for the high heed yins to sit round a table and get this solved before its too late.

i agree with you, the fed reps should meet with each other reguler & try and sort out race points that could possibly clash

on libs.Another alternative is SHU govern all races within 50mls radius of each other, possibly having amalgimation race point

after a certain distiance.

[duncandoo]

i hold my hands up. it was my fault for the bad race on saturday, i was told that historically.the race that i pick to go to with my young birds always turns out to be a disaster. so i am to blame. i went to hermiston gate last tuesday for there first toss and lost twenty out of sixty nine. so i gave them a week off and took them to hermiston gate again, against all advice given,took all day and lost another two,so i took them to carnwath park to give them some confidence on thursday job done sent them to the race and lost twenty four out off forty five. so history does repeat itself. next year i will warn yous beforehand what race i will pick for my young birds. my profound appologies,my friends in sport

[Guest WINGS 04]

i hold my hands up. it was my fault for the bad race on saturday, i was told that historically.the race that i pick to go to with my young birds always turns out to be a disaster. so i am to blame. i went to hermiston gate last tuesday for there first toss and lost twenty out of sixty nine. so i gave them a week off and took them to hermiston gate again, against all advice given,took all day and lost another two,so i took them to carnwath park to give them some confidence on thursday job done sent them to the race and lost twenty four out off forty five. so history does repeat itself. next year i will warn yous beforehand what race i will pick for my young birds. my profound appologies,my friends in sport

 

 

Robbin if you think that you can just put them in the basket at take them 20+ miles and get them back you need your head look at there is a querry at hermistogate with a piar of perigans and there first toss then 1 more from there and a 14 mile toss and you think they will come out of a 105+ race you should not be alowed to put your birds in to a race and hope that they will get draged up the road with the othere doo's that have been traind you would not do 3 1 mile traning runs then try and run 20miles hoping thatyou can get draged round to the finesh sorry m8 but it is your fault that you lost your birds

[Guest 67ghirl]

We are to blame ourselves for the massive losses nowadays. 1. In Scotland there must have been a dozen different liberation points all getting released at similar times. Ive said it before, the governing bodies should be controlling all the races as they can communicate better with other unions and minimise clashing etc. There would be less race points used and more control on liberations 2. We sit back and let BOP destroy our sport.Every single one of you that doesnt do something about this is responsible for the demise of the sport.Ive heard people say, I cant let my birds out because of the BOP,etc etc Well do something about it then and dont ask me , what to do, you know exactly the right thing to do.Get off yer arses and fight back. 3. I have noticed these days that people take great pleasure in other peoples misfortune, what I mean is, if a fed has a disaster and the fed next to it libs later and gets a good race. This mentallity is killing the pigeon sport, wishing bad luck on fellow fanciers is a bloody disgrace.We must all have the same objective in this sport.

 

Too many disasters with no apparent reasons, well it is now time for the high heed yins to sit round a table and get this solved before its too late.

 

 

Have to agree here.

 

Eggy has been saying for a few years now that there are too many Liberation sites, for example in the Scottish Borders Federation, which has under 40 members, there are 5 seperate Lib points 4 of which were used this past weekend by Scottish Feds.

This is the same area which a lot of Fanciers call 'The Bermuda Triangle' personally we would call it 'Peregrine Paradise'.

Would it not be better if these were centralised to a specific point by a 'governing body' as surely this would ease the gathering of information by controllers and make release decisions easier.

The problem with this is of course to get 'Feds' and decision makers agreeing with each other

 

JMO

 

 

 

[JADE]

The SHU cant order feds where to race from and when to liberate because the MEMBERS wont get off their a--es and put the necessary rules in place. Anyway you cant get 2 neighbouring feds to liberate together so the chances off cooperation between feds from different sides of the country is zilch. I dont know what caused the disasters on saturday but i would say it was not any single factor. BOP is an easy option. Yes they are there and they nail birds every week. But if that was the sole cause why do we not get disasters every week and why did the feds who went on sunday get 99% returns were the peregrines having a day off because they got enough to eat on saturday. the weather was a factor no doubt there have been reports of rain and birds arriving home soaking. I believe Angus Fed held over on saturday because of overcast conditions and rain at the race point and over the forth. Remember its inexperienced young birds we are dealing with. Other factors could be lack of training (there is a "fancier" earlier saying his birds had there FIRST toss last Tuesday and went to 105 miles on saturday)you can come to your own conclusion on why he has lost most of his team. Also the health of young birds. There is YBS in every area whether you care to admit it or not

[Guest 67ghirl]

Not suggesting they should all liberate together but at least all would know what the others are doing and rule out any chance of them 'crossing' each other'.

[Pompey Mick]

When I started with the birds in 1963 the Solent Fed used to run 4 YB races 3X Guernsey and St Malo. Prior to that we would have at least three 'Club' races, originally with the railway and then with a local trainer who used to organise these races.

The experience these YB's learned being liberated with birds from a tight proximity stood them in great stead when it came to Fed racing. There would be a lot less stress for the YBs, having endured a night in a transporter, being liberated with 'local' pigeons than being liberated with thousands of birds going to a much greater catchment area.

[jackson]

Would be interested to know following yesterdays reports of massive young bird losses, and the talk of hopes that many will be there next morning, if this is the case

 

Well I will start off, I had 5 home from 20 yesterday

 

SWEET F. A. this morning so far

 

Here in the Almond Valley Fed ( raced Sunday ) 20 out of 20, 19 out of the 20 in 20 minutes, last, red hen, came out of the north just before strike off time

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Had great races last two weeks with Glasgow fed.Flying almost due west from Dumbar, on the east cost of Scotland,over to Glasgow some 60/70 miles.

My thoughts is next week when we race from the south east things will change,for the worst.Clashing with different east feds most coming north east will i fear see the end of our good run of Races.Indeed praise to our race controler who has made a lot of breave decisions over the last few weeks.

 

H

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

My thoughts is next week when we race from the south east things will change,for the worst.Clashing with different east feds most coming north east will i fear see the end of our good run of Races.Indeed praise to our race controler who has made a lot of breave decisions over the last few weeks.

 

H

 

Central Route-obviously its not really favourable anymore for most due to BOPS but do any of the members think the racing was better back when the majority of the feds raced from the central racepoints instead of easterly points?if so perhaps down to the fact that there werent really any convoys racing across each other as such?

[frank-123]

Central Route-obviously its not really favourable anymore for most due to BOPS but do any of the members think the racing was better back when the majority of the feds raced from the central racepoints instead of easterly points?if so perhaps down to the fact that there werent really any convoys racing across each other as such?

 

think our option is more of the same next year no matter what route we fly

i was so anti west route now i don't think it would make a difference the hawks are all over think the time has come to get the guns out and blow the barstewards out the friggin sky because the rspb dont give a toss about our pigeons

[JohnQuinn]

I believe the Fife boys went down the centre of the country about4/5 years back and had terrible losses, i don't believe the distance or direction of races will make much difference to the losses, whatever it is that is giving us erratic racing will surely be in every area of the country, i mean its no just certain area's that are suffering its everywhere so the problem must be everywhere

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Thats the point i am making mate.little or no chance of clashing over last two weeks this will change this week.

 

Hope i am wrong.wonder if we should keep going east out to sea say another 20 miles,continue to fly across from east to west.

 

Where do you get a boat, nae bop either

 

Any thoughts on libs from sea?

[frank-123]

Thats the point i am making mate.little or no chance of clashing over last two weeks this will change this week.

 

Hope i am wrong.wonder if we should keep going east out to sea say another 20 miles,continue to fly across from east to west.

 

Where do you get a boat, nae bop either

 

Any thoughts on libs from sea?

 

spoke about that before i reckon it is a great idea

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

spoke about that before i reckon it is a great idea

 

IS there not one loft race somewhere this year where a couple of the liberations are from a boat??

 

cannae mind where I saw it or where it is again

tempted to say Tenerife?and the main event was an island to island race

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

As discussed on here lack of investigation committee that could at least recommend such trials to at least come to some conclusions with recomendations the best way forward.

 

What shall we do with the drunk'in sailor