is this false advertising

[pender]

seen advert in paper last week from well known fanciers, saying we have blues and cheq from this strain of pigeon they will breed reds and mealy next year, now reason for saying that is the strain they advertising have well known reds and mealy in the famly now is this false advert or do they just not no what they talking about remember they in game long time .

[ACE LOFTS]

personaly i dont bye nothing out of the book unless i no them as fanciers,

[sapper756]

I BELIEVE ALL ADVERTS SHOULD STATE THE RING NUMBER OF EACH BIRD FOR SALE, INSTEAD OF ONLY COLOURS.   YOU CAN SELL 50 BIRDS OF A CERTAIN COLOUR, BUT ONLY ONE OF A SPECIFIC RING NUMBER.

[Chris Little]

Agree with Rose , I need to have a bird in my hands before I part with the pennies.

 

However to a certain degree you have to give any advertisers a bit of slack , security is a big issue in our sport hence many are reluctant to disclose ring numbers , I dont blame them

[swilcox]

Hello Sapper

 

You are correct about the ring numbers and maybe in future i will put them on, i have always been worried about security hence the reason why they are left off, but as you say maybe the customer would be happier to see the number.

 

Pender

 

As regards to the original comment we have the same family as the pigeons he is selling Jan Theelen. If you pair two reds together you normally have 1 Red and 1 cheq. The reds always sale very quicly but the cheqs and blues dont seem so popular, but to answer the question if you pair a blue with a cheq they will not thro a red so i suppose that answers your question.

 

Rose/Ace

 

Selling pigeons is a difficult game and ofcourse its all based on trust and thats why we are trying to do everything the right way. But on the other hand buying pigeons can be even more difficult and there are many who take advantage. We are not trying to make a quick buck, were trying to set up something specail for the long term and to do that your customers must come first. Last week Richard Grayson a very good fancier from Lancaster said to me that he was so happy with the pigeons we sent him last year that he wouldnt ever buy a pigeon from anywhere else, and its endorsements like that, that let you know youre on the right track.

  

 

A pigeon can be expensive but a reputation is priceless.

 

Stuart

 

[pender]

so in other words it false advertising.thx

[Roland]

 

No disrespect to any feather merchant, or any one that sells or leans / gives a y/b. There are as we all know no quarantines.

Not Louella or even the great Ron Williamson can sell / give you a bird that is quarantined to produce or win, or even be there at seasons.

So this must be the 1st and foremost realism to having new stock. Second it depends on Trust, for as Louella stated many years ago similar to above he added... 'But the better the bird, the most chance of ...' and as Ron says, 'the best apples fall nearer to the tree'. Likewise most will say the further down the generation without actually racing, the less the chances. Or nearer the tree.

Hence why most people's - those not able to spend a fortune, or even a lot of money - are the Give birds given in god faith.

JMO thoughts...

[Guest Paulo]

quarantine is a bit strong lol

 

only joking mate we know that should start with a g

[ACE LOFTS]

first of all stuart i have nothing against u, i have got pigeons of yours at my loft that my uncles purchesed of a few year ago "hagen's" and i am doing well with them so your side is clean.

now rose i agree with u to some point i would like to handle the bird and look b 4 i part with any money, but i would also like to see a good pedigree now im not that much of an expert that i can tell yep this has a crap pedigree but its  gona breed me the goods, so i have to look at the pedigree make sure the winning generation isnt too far back look at the bird and see if i can cross it with mine and all pigeons are gona look the same and then make the purchase.

 

thats all

[swilcox]

Thanks for your comments Ace and Rose!!!!

 

Rose if possible i always say to people i will meet them Half way in the car and i will bring a basket full of pigeons and they can pick there own as thats the way i would do it too!

 

I also research results prior to a purchase and we do make that type of information available.

 

Ace, the Hagens have been doing very well for alot of people!! They are much like the Theelen (Theelen is the base of Hagen) in the fact that the Reds are first to sell yet the Blues and Cheqs can sometimes be much the better pigeons and often dont get picked off by the Hawks. The Hagens and Theelen are doing very well into Ireland so they must be quite a hard pigeon.

 

 

Cheers

Stuart

[ACE LOFTS]

i bred 2 youngens out of that pair of yours and let me tell u what 1 of the performance of this red cock was.

 

98th open 16th section e fougeres NFC 5342b in open 1962b sec winning over £1000. in a very hard east wind.

2nd open east grinsted open race from guernsey lost by a few yards.

57th open london & south east cc winning over £100.

 

these performance's were all as a young bird he loved the water.

 

so i put him in a poxy inland club race 100 mile as yearling and lost him still waiting for him now, but hey thats pigeon racing.

 

but well happy with the family of pigeons.

[Roland]

Lol, you wanna see the wording on my birds Pedigree's lol.

which are only as honest as the man writing them.

[jimmy white]

theres many genuine people sell pigeons , but theres as many who are not, just want to make a buck or two,, better getting pigeons from someone you know,or you can find out to be trusted, ive given pigeons away to fanciers, then they say their no good,, another fancier [exactly the same breeding ] ist 2cnd 380 miles,, a differant fancier 1st 360 miles , some of these birds are to go 550 miles next year, they may do nowt but on the other hand ,who knows, its a queer old game :)

[swilcox]

Thanks for the info Ace, the Hagens do very well in East winds.

 

Rose last week a man called me to say that he was starting up and could you buy a pair or two, i told him that if he wasnt so experienced that he would be better off buying a few cheaper pairs and that what he did.

 

I drove two hours this morning to meet him so that i could explain to him what he was buying as he wanted long distance birds and as i told him they arnt always easy pigeons to handle. We talked for hour about what he was doing etc as he is a real novice. I was amazed when he then told me that he had agreed to buy 2 Van Loon squekers from a man in Scotland for £400 each. I soon told him that for this priced you would want more than just squekers, he is going to fax me the details laters and a copy of the pedigrees, i told him that i would be honest and tell him whether or not he was being ripped off or not!!

 

Stuart

[rlez]

hi stuey

no need to wait for peds.HE IS BEING RIPPED OFF how can any one charge that to a complete novice

les

[swilcox]

If it is who i think it is!!! The man purchased a pair of older birds from me last October for £300 (the hen of the pair won 17th Nat Orleans 16,000b) and sold then to a guy in November for £600 telling him he was his best pair of breeder he had!!!! Not bad for 5 weeks!!!!!

 

The guy rang me not knowing that i imported then to see if i had anything similiar and once we realised what had happened he wasnt at all happy but chose not to report him!!!!

[GREENGRASS]

I can tell you stuart that this man has been ripped off, £400 each. If he had waited he could have purchased some better bred direct from louis van loon himself and probably had some change.

 

I must say I have had some birds from stuart and they were excellent, he was very helpful and I would have no hesitation in using him again.

[frank-123]

i bought a belgian bird two years ago paid £50  was told it was breeding winners for the previous owner

but the guy who sold me the bird said he only had two ybs off it and had not done much

so i bought this and four others

after trying to get a ring card i met a friend of the seller to be told the belgian bird was a strag i got my money back for the belgian bird but he would not swap the other four birds for my cash back so i chucked them out and said i wanted nothing to do with this guy or his birds

it has made me very wary of guys selling birds know there must be honest guys out there selling birds though

 

[swilcox]

I had a few (pm's) about the identity of the Scottish guy and suprise suprise everyone of them was correct!!!!!

 

Stuart