Selection

[swilcox]

 

 

You are introducing a new family, you have done your home work and found a fancier who is winning at the highest level at the distance you want to compete from with the right number of birds. Your 100% confident that this personnel will supply you with very good pigeons. You arrive at his loft to select your 6 pigeons and he takes you into section with 30 birds and tells you to select your own. He also tells you that the 30 young birds are from his breeders so there are all equal on pedigree.

 

Now what criteria would you use to select these 6 pigeons? Wing, Balance, Throut, Look, feathering the list goes on. Would you go by instinct or intellegence (if you have the time to study them) or would simply ask the breeder to select them for you???

 

Stuart

[Chris Little]

I would ask the breeder

 

No one knows his family of pigeons better than him

[PIGEON_MAN]

IF I WAS JUST BUYING YOUNGSTERS TO RACE I WOULD PROBABLEY JUST CHOOSE ONES I LIKED THE LOOK OF BUT IF I WANTED THEM TO BREED FROM  PEDIGREES AND PERFORMANCES WOULD MEAN NOTHING TO ME THE ONLY THING I LOOK FOR IS THE EYE,SO I WOULD NOT BUY YOUNGSTER,S ANYWAY BUT TRY TO SELECT OLDER PIGEONS ON WHAT I HAVE LEARNT OVER THE YEARS ABOUT EYESIGN,BUT THEN I WOULD GUARANTEE HE WOULD NOT SELL YOU THE BIRDS THAT ARE BREEDING HIM WINNERS.ANYONE CAN SELL YOUNGBIRDS WHICH ARE RELATED TO THE BIRDS THAT THEY ARE WINNING WITH BUT THEY WONT BE OFF THE BIRDS THAT ARE BREEDING THE WINNERS.

[GREENGRASS]

i would agree with chris, if you have done your homework and decided that this was the fancier who had the birds you wanted and he gave you the pick of them i would ask him for some help in choosing the probable best breeders or racers depending on what you are after, as he would know his birds better than anyone.

[Guest]

i would ask about the ones i liked ,and see wot performances the birds were doin in the basket!!....pedigree is a piece of paper,performance is fact.

i think a lot of birds bought are bought on wot they look like on a pedigree.i think the best reason to buy a bird is wot its parents have done in the race basket .

and i say parents ...not great grand parents.

remember the more water u add to squash the weaker it becomes.!

[PIGEON_MAN]

r, as he would know his birds better than anyone.

 

EXACTLEY WHAT I WAS GETTING AT,IF SAY HE WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO OWN 5 OR 6 PAIRS THAT WERE BREEDING WINNERS OR BREEDERS DO YOU THINK THAT HE WOULD LET YOU HAVE THE YOUNGSTERS OFF THOSE PAIRS I THINK NOT.

[PIGEON_MAN]

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.i think the best reason to buy a bird is wot its parents have done in the race basket .

and i say parents.SORRY MATE BUT TO ME YOU COULDN,T BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH,THERE IS NO MORE CHANCE OF BIRDS THAT HAVE DONE WELL IN THE BASKET BREEDING ANYTHING ANY BETTER THAN THOSE THAT HAVN,T.HAVE A READ OF JACK BARKEL,S WRITE UP,S ESPECIALLY THE ONE ABOUT THE TWO NATIONAL WINNERS THAT WERE PAIRED TOGETHER AND BRED I2 YOUNGSTER,S (HOW MUCH WOULD YOU OF BEEN PREPAIRED TO HAVE PAYED FOR THEM)£200.£300 COULD GO AS MUCH AS £500 EACH OFF 2 NATIONAL WINNERS AYE, AND WHAT HAPPENED NOT ONE OF THEM DID ANY GOOD.

[NANCYVIEWLOFTS]

it all depends on how many birds he has for sale and how many fanciers are going to buy them off him

if he is a geniune man and he selects the best for the first fancier who goes to him will he tell the second fancier who visits him that he has selected the ones he thinks were the best for the previous fancier

morale is get in early

[Guest]

when i stated that i would rather birds that have done it in the basket i meant id rather buy birds off someone who has been scoring in recent years then a pedigree off birds that did it x amount of years a go. im not saying that it would guarantee u winners if u bought from birds that was scoring now ...but id say uve got more chance of doin so!

how many flyers go to say fred bloggs who scored 20 years a go , to that of his brother joe bloggs who has in  recent years been doing well at national/fed level.

theres no guarantee of any success either way ........also some flyers are genuine and would sell birds off their best birds...i know a few in my area who has sold out of their best birds to see them birds score at national level.

there are a lot of genuine flyers, 1 or 2 are on this message board, i have come to know, recently...especially 1 in particular.he knows who he is.

[westburylofts]

Have to agree with all that say they would ask the breeder,

For the same reasons the owner/ breeder knows his birds better

and if you are buying for stock then i would ask them to help select

the pairs.

 

 

Ray

[jimmy white]

its very easy to buy pigeons ,, but i would go the best flier in the area ,,and pick up their methods and,,,, put the cart b4 the horse,,,, instead of the cart in front of the horse ;D ;D ;D

[Tony C]

With all things being equal I would take the ones that appeal to me, ones that feel right in the hand, I suppose gut feeling would best discribe it.

[Roland]

Best time is go outside of your area and buy 'LateBreds' about now!

Preferablely Grandchildren of the birds that have done well. sons / daughter if not flown well are also a very good buy as they can't command a price, but breed well.

  Don't forget you will need an out cross constantly regardless the myths of Line Breeding.

Just look at the loses compared to days gone by... will show why 100's are bred to compansate their losses.

12 pairs to breed and race from is plenty and thats to compete in all racs , even two raods! Better to lose a ird than add a perch.

Bad pigeons - as we class to what we want - eat just as much as a good one... and it is far far easier to attend and look after propr 20 birds than 70!

You will note that small lofts have a better % of good birds obviously than a big loft.

Get to know the birds and their capabilties and you will gain confidence that 80% the time you are right! Never mind the odd one that slips through the net. Not many loft get 4/5 different winners, and a loft of 20 is just as easy to have as a 100.

HeAlways look at the result sheets and listen to him at or near the top... listen also to him at the bottom... saves time when discarding his ways! lol.