Lanarkshire/SNFC maidstone race

[jimmy white]

not sooking in with andy,,,but hes by far the worst position in his fed furthest west, hes never out the result ,, and as far as nationals  go, cockburnspath is flying the same distance as him , yet its nearly 30 miles east of him, so hes getting no favours but look at his results ,, got one in my hand at the mo,  allmost £3000 yearling race only,,,IN THE FED ;D

[JADE]

Its the same old story blaming position when you get beaten. If the majority of the leading batch in a national were west birds the west would win the national. Why does it happen so often that birds are timed in the south and east sections long before there is anything in the west.

[frank-123]

Burnbank Homing Society

Maidstone - 2006-06-24

3 members sent 30 birds.

Liberated at 08:00:00 in light var.

Pos. Name Club Dist. AFT Velocity

1 Jim Hannah - - 10:35:09 1010.360

2 Jim Hannah - - 10:45:18 994.460

3 Jimmy Mcmillan - - 11:06:14 965.650

4 Jim Hannah - - 12:03:55 886.470

 

no1 would the thirty birds get on better in a bigger convoy?

no2 would they get on better with a better transporter?

no3 would they get on better with conveyors more experienced at looking after birds from distance races?

no4 would it be cost effective for the members to share transport cost?

no5 would the thirty birds be worse off getting dragged up the east coast than they were last year

 

so tammy,sammy alf lets here your points

you all sound like you want to stay with lanarkshire on its own

change my mind for me and give me your good points on staying on your own :K)

[Guest]

Lot being said about birds for Scotland coming this way or that. Maidstone is on the east coast and I would expect the convoy to initially track east coast. I know that in 2004 when we went with the Midland, their BHW scribe let the cat out of the bag when he wrote about the birds being downed by thunder storms in NE England 'but they shouldn't have been there'. Possibly thought they'd come west of the Pennines into Annandale, but they didn't.

 

The pattern of the SNFC telephone arrivals line for Newbury 2005 showed the convoy hitting Annandale then tracking NE thro Scottish Borders, Lothians, Fife and Aberdeen. West Section were pretty far behind as far as early times were concerned. I reckon the West section birds went east coast that day. In a west wind, they would then have the last 50 or so miles in a headwind, and that I think is the reason they 'appeared' to be so far behind , they are flying a headwind dog-leg at the end of the race.

 

Seems wrong that after 100+ years of racing, we still don't know with any certainty what happens to the convoy after it leaves the race point.

 

 

 

[jimmy white]

dont mean to upset your good record but when was this record what year?

SORRY,ALF I SAID 1996 IT WAS 1997 AND IT WAS 12 BIRDS NOT 11

 

[Guest WINGS 04]

YES BUT I THINK THE POINT HERE IS'NT ABOUT FRESH BIRDS IT'S ABOUT BIRDS GETTING DRAGGED UP THE EAST SIDE OF THE COUNTRY WHICH IN MOST NATIONAL RACES DOES HAPPEN!!!

 

THIS HAPPENS EVRY WEEK ALF AS THE BIRDS RACE UP THE EAST COST

[Guest WINGS 04]

not sooking in with andy,,,but hes by far the worst position in his fed furthest west, hes never out the result ,, and as far as nationals  go, cockburnspath is flying the same distance as him , yet its nearly 30 miles east of him, so hes getting no favours but look at his results ,, got one in my hand at the mo,  allmost £3000 yearling race only,,,IN THE FED ;D

 

JIMMY THERE IS ONLY 4 MILES BETWEN MY LOFT AND DALE NEWCOME MUST BE 40  MILES BY CAR

[Guest WINGS 04]

I HOPE WE GO WITH THE SNFC AS THIS WILL LET ME PUT ALL MY BIRDS IN TO THE 2 RACES BUT IF WE DO NOT GO  I WILL JUST HAVE TO GET 2 CLOCKS SET   ;)

[Guest WINGS 04]

SORRY,ALF I SAID 1996 IT WAS 1997 AND IT WAS 12 BIRDS NOT 11

 

TOP FLYING JIMMY

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

If you are sending a pigeon to 360 miles and it is in great condition and motivated as it should be, it will not follow the so called DRAG of pigeons or if it does maybe you the fanceirs are better of without them.

Yes the wind will play it's part and push them here or there but that is the only thing that will determine which line of flight the pigeons will take.

 

cheers

Gareth

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Burnbank Homing Society

Maidstone - 2006-06-24

3 members sent 30 birds.

Liberated at 08:00:00 in light var.

Pos. Name Club Dist. AFT Velocity

1 Jim Hannah - - 10:35:09 1010.360

2 Jim Hannah - - 10:45:18 994.460

3 Jimmy Mcmillan - - 11:06:14 965.650

4 Jim Hannah - - 12:03:55 886.470

 

no1 would the thirty birds get on better in a bigger convoy?

no2 would they get on better with a better transporter?

no3 would they get on better with conveyors more experienced at looking after birds from distance races?

no4 would it be cost effective for the members to share transport cost?

no5 would the thirty birds be worse off getting dragged up the east coast than they were last year

 

so tammy,sammy alf lets here your points

you all sound like you want to stay with lanarkshire on its own

change my mind for me and give me your good points on staying on your own :K)

 

 

i dont think anybody could change your mind bart but here are my replies to your questions

1- your 30 birds would be better in a bigger convoy ,but would have to be one that is meant to be coming into lanarkshire and not the whole of scotland

2- the transporter is not the best and dont think you can blame it for bad races because we have had some brilliant races at the distance using the same transporter although we do need improvements which are underway to improve this.

3-you know the control team has been changed this year because of the shambles of last year and previous years so that will help.

4-money, i would not want a decision made on my birds to come down to saving a few pence

5- your 30 birds could be dragged anywhere in scotland, thats the difference.

these are only my opinions bart but i am sure alf and sammy will also answer you with their own opinions

[GUTTY HEN]

I would just like to reply to one or two points made in the hope that it helps clear them up.

1.The rev sam did try to get all of scotland to go together in years gone by but in these days most feds were big enough to go to all races on theirt own at that point the shu had around 15,000 members the total for season 2007 is around3,100 you can then see by the figures why the only way forward for us all is to work together.

2.I made a point regarding all in scotland going together.The point is that most fanciers just want to race pigeons and we in scotland who have pigeons as a hobby must try and work together.I read in the local paper this week that two local clubs are looking for premises as club huts when their is already a club hut in their local town.The problem one is shu the other rpra lets start and get our heads together this just cant keep going on.Everyone has made their pionts but the truth is the real fanciers all now we all need to work together both to survive and with any hope of going forwars.We will celebrate 100 years of the shu this year which is good BUT lets look at the next 100 years by leaving all the bagage of the last 100years in the past and all look at the future together.H ow do we do this start by talking like adults and not just trying to score brownie pionts against each other no point.

3.The snfc council meeting is this sunday until then or after the transport situation will not be clear.I can however say that i for one want to use transporters from feds in scotland such as asking fife midlothian midland and lanarkshire if their transporters are available to hire.This in turn would mean federations would in turn get the hire fee for their federation this again all working together to help each other out.

4.The point regarding the drag of the pigeons as we all now pigeons is not a fare sport and that their will always be an advantage to someone thats just life be it time,stock,money,location i could go on and on.The two pionts i would say however is 1.IF lanarkshire go with the snfc to maidstone with their 1,200 pigeons along with midlands,northwest,central,west of scotland i can tell you that their will be as many pigeons from the centre of the country going west this with the piont that its an old bird race from arond 370 miles will help the pigeons centre to west.2.point if my pigeon makes a mistake and goes of line i would expect it to sort its self out and get home if it cant is it worth a perch in the loft got to be crual to be kind.

5.Last but not least lets not start saying things like the snfc want lanarkshire more than the other way around.The snfc have a race from maidston this year for all members who wish to go.That is with or without federations it is hoped that ALL feds will take up the offer if not well all the best with your race.I would however at least like to give it a try this year with all feds and lets see how it goes then lookat it at the end of the seaosn was it better or worse we can only try.we can all change our minds.

[Guest WINGS 04]

TAM AND ALF DO YOU THINK THAT  THE BIRDS ARE ALL GOING TO COME TOGETHER OVER 360 MILES AND WHATS TO SAY IF LANARKSHIRE HAS A GOOD TURNOUT FOR THIS RACE THAT OR BIRDS ARE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE DOING THE DRAGGING CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY BIRDS YOUR CLUB SENT LAST YEAR TO MAIDSTONE AND HOW MANY MEMBERS WHERE THER

[frank-123]

SORRY,ALF I SAID 1996 IT WAS 1997 AND IT WAS 12 BIRDS NOT 11

 

not saying your results jimmy were in doubt just iam sure pigeon racing has changed over the last 20 years it is getting harder to produce results like yours

[frank-123]

 

 

i dont think anybody could change your mind bart but here are my replies to your questions

1- your 30 birds would be better in a bigger convoy ,but would have to be one that is meant to be coming into lanarkshire and not the whole of scotland

2- the transporter is not the best and dont think you can blame it for bad races because we have had some brilliant races at the distance using the same transporter although we do need improvements which are underway to improve this.

3-you know the control team has been changed this year because of the shambles of last year and previous years so that will help.

4-money, i would not want a decision made on my birds to come down to saving a few pence

5- your 30 birds could be dragged anywhere in scotland, thats the difference.

these are only my opinions bart but i am sure alf and sammy will also answer you with their own opinions

 

thanks for your answer tammy but you are right i have not changed my mind due to your answers you have an opinion which i respect

all the best

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

CAN I ASK YOU SOMETHING GUTTY HEN/ SCOTT GIBSON

 

DID YOU TELL JOE MURPHY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THAT LANARKSHIRE WERE GOING WITH THE SNFC TO MAIDSTONE, AS HE CLAIMED WHEN I ASKED HIM WHO TOLD HIM THIS SO HE COULD PUT IT IN THE HOMING WORLD ?

IF YOU DID TELL HIM THIS , WHO FROM LANARKSHIRE GAVE YOU THIS INFORMATION BEFORE IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED AT ANY MEETINGS WITHIN LANARKSHIRE, AND IT STILL HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED AT ANY ? OR IS THIS AN INCORRECT STATEMENT THAT WAS  GIVEN TO ME ?

 

DONT WANT YOU TO FEEL YOU ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE WITH YOUR NAMES BEING PUT UP SO HERE IS MINE

TAMMY_1 / TAM GARVIE,  BUT YOU ALREADY KNEW THAT

[dandydoo]

Cheers peggy I couldnt answer that one ....didny stay long enough

[frank-123]

good to see our posts were not removed just added somewhere else

[ALF]

I PAID MY DUES TO THE LANARKSHIRE FED TO TAKE MY DOOS JUST LIKE I HAVE DONE FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND NOT THE SNFC SO I THINK I HAVE THE RIGHT TO MY OPINION AND THAT IS I WANT THE FED TO GO ALONE BECAUSE I THINK IF WE GO WITH THE NATIONAL WE WILL LOSE TOO MANY DOOS OUT OF WHAT IS OUR PREMIER RACE OF THE SEASON!!! AND I'M NOT SAYING I WILL LOSE TOO MANY DOOS AM SAYING THAT THE FED WILL ;)

[ALF]

good to see our posts were not removed just added somewhere else

 

 

YES BART BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN COURTEUS OF WHOEVER MOVED THE POSTS TO LET EVERYONE KNOW WHERE THEY HAD BEEN MOVED TOO ;)

[frank-123]

would have been helpful alf

maybe the moderator is not as talented as the webmaster who normally tells where the posts have been moved to

 

your opinion as a paying member of the fed is valued but you have not changed my mind yet with your answer to my questions  ;D

[ALF]

NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE ANYONES MIND JUST PUTING UP MY OPINION FOR WHAT ITS WORTH AND I THINK THE FED WILL LOSE A LOT OF BIRDS IN OUR PREMIER RACE IF WE GO WITH THE NATIONAL

[Guest]

 

 

YES BART BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN COURTEUS OF WHOEVER MOVED THE POSTS TO LET EVERYONE KNOW WHERE THEY HAD BEEN MOVED TOO ;)

 

Sorry, meant to post up but got sidetracked answering PMs then dinner called (she who must be obeyed)  

 

Fife Fed thread merged to Lanarkshire / Maidstone thread, there had been cross-posting between them from yesterday. Nothing has been removed.

[frank-123]

thanks bruno for your reply

[ALF]

CHEERS BRUNO