Pompey Mick Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 How does ETS tie in with existing Race computer programs, what software comes with the system? Does it calculate Averages, Pools & Points etc. What Race programs are in use in Scotland? I would like to know because I am considering purchasing a new Computer Race program for the Club and I would like it to be compatiable with ETS if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian McKay Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Hi Pompey I too am looking for a programme compatible with ETS. I have drawn a blank. I have tried various software manufacturers but failed to get a system that will do what you want.We use Unikon but the software only gives you a time NO velocity. We then feed this into a race programme to sort out the result No velocity No pools No points No compatibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubbles Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 oops i posted in the other ETS thread about this Very poor ETS advertising i say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Mick Posted February 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Hi Ian, I am surprised that you have to manually load the times in, I was hoping there would be direct transfer of some sort. I was hoping that the ETS companies would have software compatiable with existing race programs. i think there is a program in America called Winspeed (I think) which works with ETS. Surely there must be a suitable program available somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JADE Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 I would think software will eventually be developed for this. Its all about progress and this takes time to achieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubbles Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 To start with it may just be printed off and then manually entered i suppose but our club has old computer (no USB) so i would be interested to see if they supply a printer like the T3 clocks have. : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t3doo Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 I BELEIVE EAST COAST SOLUTIONS TEL NO 01642475155 ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON A PROGRAM IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE UNIKON ETS BUT AM NOT SURE ABOUT ANY COMPATIBILITY FEATURES OR HOW NEAR THEY ARE TO A SOLUTION, CHEERS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Well the Majority in the Club says ET's so what! We won't sanction any funds to buy anything that relatess / or is needed in regards ET's. Club will also have a say whether they will allow ET's to be used... Or more simply if all those against ET's form another club and have it as a rule that it will be a Manual Clocking club only.... One has to ponder on I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian McKay Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Hi Roland For someone who is neither for nor agains you post a lot of negatives !!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian McKay Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Now England is going to accept ETS some software company will invest in the technology the market is now a lot bigger. To my knowledge there is no software available by a UK software company. But this I hope will change. I know there is a programme available in the US but have failed to get my hands on it . I hope to go to US in April / May so will be looking then. If any member knows of the programme will you send me a PM please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubbles Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Roland, Don't forget that majority rule comes in at meetings and if the majority say we should buy such and such then that is what the club is supposed to do. You could object but, i'm not sure how far this would get you. I agree with your stance but the clever ones will use rules to bamboozle the club into buying because don't forget that it was smart a**e lawyers who have said that the RPRA MUST allow the use of the ETS. WE the fee payers did not really have an option as to whether we wanted it or not. I was sent a letter to read out from my region committee and that was from some sort of equal oportunities place and we were not expected to vote on it just to know what was going on. People who want such things to be let in always find a loophole and in the past people have given up the sport due to health concerns and these flyers were not bothered about their disabilities. To me it just sounds like "I want it so i'll find a way to get it". disappointing but thats pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 "don't forget that it was smart a**e lawyers who have said that the RPRA MUST allow the use of the ETS. " not that smart Tubbles the act clearly states that clubs with less than 30 members are not affected by the act. The RPRA IS NOT A CLUB IT IS AN ASSOCIATION OF CLUBS. The individual clubs who are affiliated to the RPRA who have less than 30 members could ignore ETS on these grounds alone. The RPRA would not dare say boo to clubs who fall into this category who choose to ignore ETS, as they know as well as I do that in law they would not have a leg to stand on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE FIFER Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 To start with it may just be printed off and then manually entered i suppose but our club has old computer (no USB) so i would be interested to see if they supply a printer like the T3 clocks have. : hi at blackpool i visited the unikon stand, and they had a HP printer, the ones u use on the pc, u get a specisl device to fix on the rear of it and it does some printing from the ets not sure what but if u were getting in touch with the scottish agent for unikon he would let u know what it is, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubbles Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Thanks Fifer "me" as for the 30 member rule applying to clubs , would these clubs be taken as federations, as we have more than 30 members in the federation. Its all a bit up in the air still really isn't it. We need the RPRA to come out and tell us where we stand because I know a lot of the members in my club are against it and this will just cause more bad feeling towards the members who try using it. The sport is not in the position to take these problems in my opinion, because this could lose us even more members. :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Unikon system doesn't include a printer or a race programme. At the moment its just another timing device. Our club members pooled together for printer & cable. Prints off bird details and times, but these are then entered manually (along with the conventional clocked details) into a race result programme on club computer. Not a joined-up timing clock & race result calculation system. ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 As the govement and DAFRA etc. constantly refuse recognise our fancy as a 'Sport' but CLASSFIED usas Poultry keeper, how can we be discriminate to other Poultry keepers? It's a joke, As niel Diamond sang, Money Talks, and the Affluent ones in our so called Poultry keeping were determine to gain any and every ounce for the own betterment. Nothing more and certainly nothing less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman55678 Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Our concourse uses the unikon ETS, we belong to the AU which has its own software called "windspeed" that is compatible with all the different electronic systems, the software calculates everything that you would need to know and is very simple to use by the secretaries of all the clubs, combines and concourses and national organization. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Hi Roland For someone who is neither for nor agains you post a lot of negatives !!!!!!! Well that's me own personal beliefs on ET's... Not on the deeds of the misfits that contrived, fibbed and what not to get the ET accepted Aand why!!! To get a little more lee - way, a little more undeserved advantage over those that can't afford or due to Loft position CAN'T have, or be able to have it guanranteed to work come Saturday morning. Fortunately the TRUE racing as I see it for me is the Distance races so tha won't overly afect me. Not like the ones that have their birds arrive at the same time, or just before the ET clocker only to be robed by the affluent one with a ET clock! But then that is why you and others want it. And all the red herrings in the world won't alter that a jot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Chequer Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I agree with you Roland, ETS has been pushed by the Makers and their agents now for about ten years, what the advertizing in the journals has cost them must be astronomical. As for the Disability Discrimination Act this was just another foot in the door that they have managed to use. However a Federation is not a club neither is the NEHU, RPRA or WHU they are governing bodies. It is strange that the members pushing the ETS are almost always those with other commercial interests. It is all about money, nothing to do with bringing the sport up to date. I can guarantee that membership will decrease when it becomes widespread, the argument that youngsters will join the sport is absolute bunkum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Pigeon racing is rampent with inequities. As several ex Flyers called it, rough justice. Best hope is that they all balance out. One thing for sure, the flood of used manual clocks to hit the market will be a boon to the juniors and other beginers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I agree with you Roland, ETS has been pushed by the Makers and their agents now for about ten years, what the advertizing in the journals has cost them must be astronomical. As for the Disability Discrimination Act this was just another foot in the door that they have managed to use. However a Federation is not a club neither is the NEHU, RPRA or WHU they are governing bodies. It is strange that the members pushing the ETS are almost always those with other commercial interests. It is all about money, nothing to do with bringing the sport up to date. I can guarantee that membership will decrease when it becomes widespread, the argument that youngsters will join the sport is absolute bunkum. Se well and eloquently put. Yes many will leave. And the cost for starting up will deter mny from stating. Especially when the Missis asks which comes first. Morgage, Kids, etc. etc. or just to see flipping birds fly. But you now what the real thing that surprises me? The selfisness of those that are / have pushed for it, and they vey ones that spout only about trying to keep a sensible and steady influx of new members AND spouters of rying, and Oh how can we encourage new members etc. And HOW CAN will STOP LOSING so many yea year! What can we do to keep members.... and then selfishly spout in silence 'As long as it doesn't affect me and any one upmanship I may have or gain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 No it doesn't surprise me in the least! They want to be first at the trough, 2nd last and again if any left! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Mick Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 If anyone wants to use ETS in a Club that hasn't got a master then surely it's up to that member to supply the appropiate equipment. When the T3s came on the market individual fanciers had to supply their own printers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Hi Ian, I am surprised that you have to manually load the times in, I was hoping there would be direct transfer of some sort. I was hoping that the ETS companies would have software compatiable with existing race programs. i think there is a program in America called Winspeed (I think) which works with ETS. Surely there must be a suitable program available somewhere. Wonder if we can get a copy of Winspeed? A number of clubs around here are all-ETS, it would be worth giving this software a pre-race trial. Only recently dawned on me Mick, that there is no electronic start-to-finish system that'll automatically run & poroduce birds timed, velocity, race results, & pools. Its all a bit too disjointed just now and could be improved. Would make Race Secretary's job a good bit easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 If anyone wants to use ETS in a Club that hasn't got a master then surely it's up to that member to supply the appropiate equipment. When the T3s came on the market individual fanciers had to supply their own printers. Unikon & Tauris both supplied club equipment free, to 1st member to adopt it in the club, when introduced in Scotland. Recent advert from Unikon in BHW stating same deal applies, extra kit for club supplied free. So no skin off anybodies balance sheets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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