Guest TAMMY_1 Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 Was under the immpression that you could never have a dead heat with this system but one of the club results i have been given the same man has two birds timed at exactly same time and giving the exact same velocity, now this was brought up before if you had two rubbers you could not put them in the same thimble because if the two birds are put in the same thimble and one bird is the mans all pooler who determines what rubber was put in first, now what if this was the case with this mans two birds going in at the exact same time and one is his all pooled bird and the other is not who decides if he gets the money or not ?
andy Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 Was under the immpression that you could never have a dead heat with this system but one of the club results i have been given the same man has two birds timed at exactly same time and giving the exact same velocity, now this was brought up before if you had two rubbers you could not put them in the same thimble because if the two birds are put in the same thimble and one bird is the mans all pooler who determines what rubber was put in first, now what if this was the case with this mans two birds going in at the exact same time and one is his all pooled bird and the other is not who decides if he gets the money or not ? Tammy, the winner is the won that reads first on the clock as the ets recognises the first ring over the pad to parts of a second, although they are on the same whole second...
sapper756 Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 Tammy, the winner is the won that reads first on the clock as the ets recognises the first ring over the pad to parts of a second, although they are on the same whole second... Correct Andy m8
Roland Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 And this is just one of 100’S WinSpeed-1 CCRPA 09/04/06-19:42 Weekly Race Report Page 1 Name: UNITY OPEN Young Bird Race Flown: 09/02/2006 Released: 08:00 Birds: 239 Lofts: 9 Station: UNITY Weather (Rel) SUNNY, CALM, 12 degrees (Arr) SUNNY, S15-20, 24 degrees Perfect Day for a RACE POS LOFT NAME BAND NUMBER CLR X ARRIVAL KMS TOWIN MPM PT 1 Morres Dud/52 0602 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 329.982 00.00 1392.130 104 2 Morres Dudzic 0620 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 2/ 52 00.00 1392.130 102 3 Morres Dudzic 0621 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 3/ 52 00.00 1392.130 100 4 Morres Dudzic 0622 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 4/ 52 00.00 1392.130 97 5 Morres Dudzic 0626 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 5/ 52 00.00 1392.130 95 6 Morres Dudzic 0627 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 6/ 52 00.00 1392.130 93 7 Morres Dudzic 0646 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 7/ 52 00.00 1392.130 91 8 Morres Dudzic 0648 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 8/ 52 00.00 1392.130 89 9 Morres Dudzic 0650 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 9/ 52 00.00 1392.130 87 10 Morres Dudzic 0674 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 10/ 52 00.00 1392.130 84 11 Morres Dudzic 0625 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:41 11/ 52 00.38 1388.323 82 12 Morres Dudzic 0616 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:42 12/ 52 00.39 1388.225 80 13 Morres Dudzic 0661 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:42 13/ 52 00.39 1388.225 78 14 Morres Dudzic 0672 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:44 14/ 52 00.41 1388.031 76 15 Morres Dudzic 0671 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:45 15/ 52 00.42 1387.933 74 16 Morres Dudzic 0624 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:47 16/ 52 00.45 1387.739 71 17 Morres Dudzic 0611 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:52 17/ 52 01.49 1381.445 69 18 Morres Dudzic 0630 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:54 18/ 52 01.52 1381.252 67 19 Morres Dudzic 0643 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:56 19/ 52 01.53 1381.059 65 20 Morres Dudzic 0654 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:58 20/ 52 01.56 1380.867 63 21 Morres Dudzic 0610 CU 06 EDM C 11:59:01 21/ 52 01.59 1380.578 61 22 Coronado L/35 0333 CU 06 EDM C 11:50:04 317.563 01.57 1380.306 58 23 Morres Dudzic 0604 CU 06 EDM C 11:59:04 22/ 52 02.02 1380.289 56 24 Coronado Loft 0331 CU 06 EDM 11:50:06 2/ 35 01.59 1380.106 54 25 Coronado Loft 0348 CU 06 EDM C 11:50:07 3/ 35 02.00 1380.006 52 26 Morres Dudzic 0653 CU 06 EDM C 11:59:07 23/ 52 02.05 1380.001 50 27 Coronado Loft 0319 CU 06 EDM C 11:50:13 4/ 35 02.06 1379.406 48 28 Coronado Loft 0352 CU 06 EDM C 11:51:52 5/ 35 03.45 1369.590 45 29 Morres Dudzic 0601 CU 06 EDM C 12:03:25 24/ 52 06.23 1355.623 43 30 Morres Dudzic 0676 CU 06 EDM C 12:03:27 25/ 52 06.24 1355.437 41 31 Coronado Loft 0304 CU 06 EDM 11:55:16 6/ 35 07.09 1349.797 39 32 Coronado Loft 0311 CU 06 EDM 11:56:04 7/ 35 07.57 1345.223 37 33 Morres Dudzic 0631 CU 06 EDM C 12:05:41 26/ 52 08.38 1343.116 35 34 Morres Dudzic 0609 CU 06 EDM C 12:05:44 27/ 52 08.42 1342.842 32 35 Morres Dudzic 0668 CU 06 EDM C 12:06:03 28/ 52 09.01 1341.114 30 36 Coronado Loft 0351 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:01 8/ 35 09.54 1334.202 28 37 M Dziarmaga/8 13654 CU 06 CU BB C 12:04:23 325.687 10.26 1332.685 26 38 Morres Dudzic 0673 CU 06 EDM C 12:08:54 29/ 52 11.52 1325.758 24 39 Morres Dudzic 0615 CU 06 EDM C 12:09:21 30/ 52 12.18 1323.365 22 40 Morres Dudzic 0670 CU 06 EDM C 12:09:24 31/ 52 12.21 1323.100 19 41 Coronado Loft 0637 CU 06 EDM 12:00:08 9/ 35 12.01 1322.442 17 42 Knox Landi/12 1103 CU 06 EDM BLWF C 11:35:54 285.450 10.51 1322.140 15 43 Coronado Loft 0335 CU 06 EDM 12:00:15 10/ 35 12.08 1321.800 13 44 Morres Dudzic 0619 CU 06 EDM C 12:12:52 32/ 52 15.50 1304.961 11 45 Morres Dudzic 0655 CU 06 EDM C 12:12:55 33/ 52 15.53 1304.703 9 46 Morres Dudzic 0652 CU 06 EDM C 12:12:56 34/ 52 15.53 1304.617 6 47 Morres Dudzic 0662 CU 06 EDM C 12:12:56 35/ 52 15.53 1304.617 4 48 Coronado Loft 0324 CU 06 EDM 12:04:11 11/ 35 16.04 1300.508 2 ---------------------- Below are the first birds from each loft --------------- 64 T. Makowec/49 13691 CU 06 CU RDCK C 12:04:44 314.629 18.43 1285.597 0 106 D. Donahue/26 1525 CU 06 CCRP C 12:21:07 322.776 29.15 1236.137 0 123 A Chodorsk/16 1364 CU 06 EDM BB C 12:40:53 320.512 50.39 1141.083 0 WinSpeed-1 CCRPA 09/04/06-19:42 Weekly Race Report Page 2 Name: UNITY1 Young Bird Race Flown: 09/02/2006 POS LOFT NAME BAND NUMBER CLR X ARRIVAL KMS TOWIN MPM PT 134 R. Warrine/28 1037 CU 06 EDM C 13:28:32 358.539 01:10 1091.331 0
Lightning McQueen Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 This result is amazin.....10 birds on exactly the same time, phew!! Great flying but he/she must have sent a boat load :-/ is this the future of UK racing, with the BIG lofts??
Guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 Think it has 'always' been happening, some folk getting numbers in a drop but timing systems available to them were unable to cope with birds bulleting thro a trap every second - into a rubber & thimble system. Posted elsewhere that multiple ETS timing could distort the result when mixed clocking systems are used in the race. Best to kit-out the whole club.
gangster Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 that would be ideal but some members will not have the ets cost ect so unfortunatley thats not gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!
gangster Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 And this is just one of 100’S WinSpeed-1 CCRPA 09/04/06-19:42 Weekly Race Report Page 1 Name: UNITY OPEN Young Bird Race Flown: 09/02/2006 Released: 08:00 Birds: 239 Lofts: 9 Station: UNITY Weather (Rel) SUNNY, CALM, 12 degrees (Arr) SUNNY, S15-20, 24 degrees Perfect Day for a RACE POS LOFT NAME BAND NUMBER CLR X ARRIVAL KMS TOWIN MPM PT 1 Morres Dud/52 0602 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 329.982 00.00 1392.130 104 2 Morres Dudzic 0620 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 2/ 52 00.00 1392.130 102 3 Morres Dudzic 0621 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 3/ 52 00.00 1392.130 100 4 Morres Dudzic 0622 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 4/ 52 00.00 1392.130 97 5 Morres Dudzic 0626 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 5/ 52 00.00 1392.130 95 6 Morres Dudzic 0627 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 6/ 52 00.00 1392.130 93 7 Morres Dudzic 0646 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 7/ 52 00.00 1392.130 91 8 Morres Dudzic 0648 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 8/ 52 00.00 1392.130 89 9 Morres Dudzic 0650 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 9/ 52 00.00 1392.130 87 10 Morres Dudzic 0674 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 10/ 52 00.00 1392.130 84 11 Morres Dudzic 0625 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:41 11/ 52 00.38 1388.323 82 12 Morres Dudzic 0616 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:42 12/ 52 00.39 1388.225 80 13 Morres Dudzic 0661 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:42 13/ 52 00.39 1388.225 78 14 Morres Dudzic 0672 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:44 14/ 52 00.41 1388.031 76 15 Morres Dudzic 0671 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:45 15/ 52 00.42 1387.933 74 16 Morres Dudzic 0624 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:47 16/ 52 00.45 1387.739 71 17 Morres Dudzic 0611 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:52 17/ 52 01.49 1381.445 69 18 Morres Dudzic 0630 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:54 18/ 52 01.52 1381.252 67 19 Morres Dudzic 0643 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:56 19/ 52 01.53 1381.059 65 20 Morres Dudzic 0654 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:58 20/ 52 01.56 1380.867 63 21 Morres Dudzic 0610 CU 06 EDM C 11:59:01 21/ 52 01.59 1380.578 61 22 Coronado L/35 0333 CU 06 EDM C 11:50:04 317.563 01.57 1380.306 58 23 Morres Dudzic 0604 CU 06 EDM C 11:59:04 22/ 52 02.02 1380.289 56 24 Coronado Loft 0331 CU 06 EDM 11:50:06 2/ 35 01.59 1380.106 54 25 Coronado Loft 0348 CU 06 EDM C 11:50:07 3/ 35 02.00 1380.006 52 26 Morres Dudzic 0653 CU 06 EDM C 11:59:07 23/ 52 02.05 1380.001 50 27 Coronado Loft 0319 CU 06 EDM C 11:50:13 4/ 35 02.06 1379.406 48 28 Coronado Loft 0352 CU 06 EDM C 11:51:52 5/ 35 03.45 1369.590 45 29 Morres Dudzic 0601 CU 06 EDM C 12:03:25 24/ 52 06.23 1355.623 43 30 Morres Dudzic 0676 CU 06 EDM C 12:03:27 25/ 52 06.24 1355.437 41 31 Coronado Loft 0304 CU 06 EDM 11:55:16 6/ 35 07.09 1349.797 39 32 Coronado Loft 0311 CU 06 EDM 11:56:04 7/ 35 07.57 1345.223 37 33 Morres Dudzic 0631 CU 06 EDM C 12:05:41 26/ 52 08.38 1343.116 35 34 Morres Dudzic 0609 CU 06 EDM C 12:05:44 27/ 52 08.42 1342.842 32 35 Morres Dudzic 0668 CU 06 EDM C 12:06:03 28/ 52 09.01 1341.114 30 36 Coronado Loft 0351 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:01 8/ 35 09.54 1334.202 28 37 M Dziarmaga/8 13654 CU 06 CU BB C 12:04:23 325.687 10.26 1332.685 26 38 Morres Dudzic 0673 CU 06 EDM C 12:08:54 29/ 52 11.52 1325.758 24 39 Morres Dudzic 0615 CU 06 EDM C 12:09:21 30/ 52 12.18 1323.365 22 40 Morres Dudzic 0670 CU 06 EDM C 12:09:24 31/ 52 12.21 1323.100 19 41 Coronado Loft 0637 CU 06 EDM 12:00:08 9/ 35 12.01 1322.442 17 42 Knox Landi/12 1103 CU 06 EDM BLWF C 11:35:54 285.450 10.51 1322.140 15 43 Coronado Loft 0335 CU 06 EDM 12:00:15 10/ 35 12.08 1321.800 13 44 Morres Dudzic 0619 CU 06 EDM C 12:12:52 32/ 52 15.50 1304.961 11 45 Morres Dudzic 0655 CU 06 EDM C 12:12:55 33/ 52 15.53 1304.703 9 46 Morres Dudzic 0652 CU 06 EDM C 12:12:56 34/ 52 15.53 1304.617 6 47 Morres Dudzic 0662 CU 06 EDM C 12:12:56 35/ 52 15.53 1304.617 4 48 Coronado Loft 0324 CU 06 EDM 12:04:11 11/ 35 16.04 1300.508 2 ---------------------- Below are the first birds from each loft --------------- 64 T. Makowec/49 13691 CU 06 CU RDCK C 12:04:44 314.629 18.43 1285.597 0 106 D. Donahue/26 1525 CU 06 CCRP C 12:21:07 322.776 29.15 1236.137 0 123 A Chodorsk/16 1364 CU 06 EDM BB C 12:40:53 320.512 50.39 1141.083 0 WinSpeed-1 CCRPA 09/04/06-19:42 Weekly Race Report Page 2 Name: UNITY1 Young Bird Race Flown: 09/02/2006 POS LOFT NAME BAND NUMBER CLR X ARRIVAL KMS TOWIN MPM PT 134 R. Warrine/28 1037 CU 06 EDM C 13:28:32 358.539 01:10 1091.331 0 THAT RESULTS JUST KILLED MANY CLUBS OVER HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tubbles Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 I know this would be unlikely, but what if another loft times in to dead heat on the velocity, where would the computer put him in the result? 11th? I would not be happy to see my name 11th on the sheet if i had dead-heated with someone flying in an advantageous position in the federation. We have a computer in our club but just mechanical clocks at the moment. There is no option in the program to enter parts of a second as ETS seems to work on but you cannot clock in in 1hour 30mins and 30.2seconds on mechanical clocks so this also seems to pass an advantage to ETS owners. I feel that the days when someone says at the club, I had ten drop together are going to come back to haunt us, as these people will now be wanting all 10 on the sheet and who can blame them when they are all on the same second or part of that second. It seems that every post i do sounds anti ETS and i don't want to give that impression because i have no feelings about it either way. If it does not kill the sport or detract from the thrill i may get one myself in a couple of years. The sport needs a kick in the a**e to attract more youngsters in but i'm not sure if ETS will help or hinder. :
gangster Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 i may be wrong tubbles but you will find t3s go into the hundredth of a escond as well so you would get similar results but obviously with ets multiples of arrivals clocked on the same second can happen butnot many lofts can do this, you can still at clock reading discard any after top 10 or 6 prizes are won so its still like a normal result night..........yes we do need to encourage young blood to the sport................
tubbles Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 Gangster thanks for quick reply. Just looked at a printout from a t3s and it just says 123547 which is 12:35:47 no hundredths or tenths of seconds. perhaps if plugged into a race velocity prog it may like you say, do hundredths but the printout is what we go by. Phil
Roland Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 What one must remember - and it is a realistic fact that if a ET clocker, let alone a few, are 15 seconds behind a Manual clocker,(on averahe) then the reality is that the manual clocker won't be on the score card. This why the very essence of a handicap of 17 seconds or even 5 seconds won't be tolerated. Yes all the reasons for ET is good... but grossly unfair for those that can't for any reason have them. But it is here and one has to put up or shut up! NO handicap is actually wrong, it is not handicapping the ET, it is more realistic in putting a manual clocker on parr. No manual clocker is asking for an advantage, just 'Fair Play'! But of course in this game it will never happen.
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 i may be wrong tubbles but you will find t3s go into the hundredth of a escond as well so you would get similar results but obviously with ets multiples of arrivals clocked on the same second can happen butnot many lofts can do this, you can still at clock reading discard any after top 10 or 6 prizes are won so its still like a normal result night..........yes we do need to encourage young blood to the sport................ AYE YOURE RIGHT GANGSTER, YOU ARE WRONG
ALF Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 Was under the immpression that you could never have a dead heat with this system but one of the club results i have been given the same man has two birds timed at exactly same time and giving the exact same velocity, now this was brought up before if you had two rubbers you could not put them in the same thimble because if the two birds are put in the same thimble and one bird is the mans all pooler who determines what rubber was put in first, now what if this was the case with this mans two birds going in at the exact same time and one is his all pooled bird and the other is not who decides if he gets the money or not ? What are you bothering for you dont have ETS and neither does anyone in your club
gangster Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 YES BOYS BUT WE HAD ALL THIS WINGING WHEN T3S CAME ON TO THE MARKET!!!!!! ITS UNFAIR ECT THATS JUST PROGRESSION ITS HERE AND RUNNING...NO MATTER WHAT AS POSTED BEFORE YOU STILL GOT TO GET THEM HOME COZ YOU CANT SEND YOUR CLOCK TO THE RACE!!!!!!!! HERES ANOTHER POINT ....WHO MOANED ABOUT T3S THE MOST LOFTS USING TOULETS AS IS WELL KNOWN FACT COULD BE MANIPULATED.AS THEY WERE WINNING WITH THEM BUT EVEN 1OR2 WON T3S IN RACES STILL USED TOULETS...WHY!!!!!!!!! COZ WHEN THEY FINALLY USED T3S WERE NOT WINNING.....................
mark Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 talk about multiple timmings its killing the sport
ALF Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 I HAD TO REMIND OUR CLUB MEMBERS YESTERDAY TO LIFT THE ETS CLCOK OUT OF THE BASE STATION AT THEIR LOFTS ONCE THEY HAVE THEIR POOLERS IN SO IT DOES'NT CLOCK ALL THE ARRIVALS IN
gangster Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 I HAD TO REMIND OUR CLUB MEMBERS YESTERDAY TO LIFT THE ETS CLCOK OUT OF THE BASE STATION AT THEIR LOFTS ONCE THEY HAVE THEIR POOLERS IN SO IT DOES'NT CLOCK ALL THE ARRIVALS IN WELL ALF THATS CORRECT AND THE GENTLEMANLY THING TO DO AND DOES NOT CAUSE ANY GRIEFF AT THE CLUB FOR THE FLYERS LOW DOWN THE SHEET...AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN MEMBERS ON HOW MANY TO CLOCK WOULD SORT ANY PROBS OUT AT THE START.........
ALF Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 ONLY THING IS GANGSTER WE'VE WENT FROM A RACE RESULT WITH MAYBE 30 OR 40 DOOS ON IT TO 1 WITH 130 -150 ON IT :o
gangster Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN BUT THERE IS NO NEED FOR SO MANY CLOCKED IN ...........
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 What are you bothering for you dont have ETS and neither does anyone in your club AND NEITHER YOU NOR ANYBODY IN YOUR CLUB WOULD HAVE IT IF YOU NEVER GOT IT FOR NOTHING, AND I ONLY ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT CAME UP ON A RESULT I WAS DOING, KEN WAN OF THEY CLUBS UNLIKE YOURS THAT HAVE SENT A RESULT YA BIG MONKEY
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 ONLY THING IS GANGSTER WE'VE WENT FROM A RACE RESULT WITH MAYBE 30 OR 40 DOOS ON IT TO 1 WITH 130 -150 ON IT :o AND YOURS WAS NUMBER 150 ;D
Roland Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN BUT THERE IS NO NEED FOR SO MANY CLOCKED IN ........... But most will make sure that thay let everyone know what they can't count ... and no one wants a false result in as much they are say 20th and know they are really 45th! No clocks don't make pigeons faster.... but by golly another good thing is that birds don't become 'Trap Shy'! Another unsung advantage... Yes there are exception like 'Breakaway' but that bird was one in mllions. STRANGELY most can't afford T3's etc. anyway... Must get onto to the frebie scam ... but I think only the Scots are eligible... and that as that is what would be expected of them lol.
Guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 STRANGELY most can't afford T3's etc. anyway... Must get onto to the frebie scam ... but I think only the Scots are eligible... and that as that is what would be expected of them lol. Cut your quote down Roland to show what I'm picking up on. I think you have got to be careful in what you say as something said in jest is taken as deadly serious elsewhere: Freebie (Lottery Grant) isn't a scam, its a legit way of raising funds for club equipment. If the club wasn't eligible, it wouldn't get the Grant. Thread struck up elsewhere on the forum which locked into the same sort of theme: think it more than a co-incidence that some misguided person then wrote to the SHU alleging / complaining that it had misappropriated Lottery Funds. Scots lead the way Roland, we show how and others follow, a century or two later. ;D
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