B.I.C.C Fighting Fund

[Guest]

ATTENTION!!!!!!!

 

Once again the South Road fanciers have been let down by the draconian measures taken against us by DEFRA.

 

These measures go against all the evidence we have that pigeons do not, under normal conditions catch or transmit the H5N1 virus.  We feel that we now have to take this matter further through the courts and seek compensation both at Club and personal level.

 

Our aim is to raise around £100,000. If a thousand of us put in £100 we are there. Any that can not afford a £100.00 send what you can.

 

Any businesses that derive their living from the sport a little bit more would be welcome, but we do need to fight this just to show DEFRA how much we care and how they are destroying long distance racing in the U.K.

 

If Belgium, Holland, Germany and other EEC countries can continue racing why can’t we?  Don’t forget if we don’t stand up for ourselves nobody else will and bullies always win if you don’t retaliate.

 

A list of donors will be published in the fancy press.

 

Brian Long, Brian Wall of Gem Supplements, Jimmy Wearn of Wearn Surfacing and M. Bunney will act as trustees for this fund.

 

This fund is purely on a voluntary basis for those who care about their sport.

 

We also have other irons in the fire being pursued by Mike Bunney.

 

Please make your cheques out to B.I.C.C. Fighting Fund and send them to

Mrs Jan Deacon, Sec. B.I.C.C., 2 Silverdale Drive, Waterlooville, Hants. PO7 6DN

 

This advert is sponsored by Jimmy Wearn.

[Guest]

is this just a fight for the bicc and no one else where do all the other organisations fit in or are they not considered

[Guest]

From what i can gather this is a fund set up by the BICC to help everyone concerned with racing pigeons

[Guest]

From what i can gather this is a fund set up by the BICC to help everyone concerned with racing pigeons

 

know what you are saying but has all the other organisations been ask to participate in it surely a task as big as this would need to have more organisations at their back to carry a bit more clout if yi get my meaning  

[Guest]

i know what you mean rose but surely a joint venture is better than one ,a united front on racing pigeons   :)

[peterpau]

Just the BICC at the front as ever. Well done BICC.

[johno]

where is the bank account, who signs money in and out, in the event any money raied where does it go, is there a committee formed, president, secretary, treasurer. who are the signatories, what are the aims and objectives of the set up, who decides what policy is/ what is the administrative set up. how have the officials been put in place. in the event assets go astray who is responsible. this approach is extremely open to abuse. this in my opinion is dangerous. take some time and think it through.

[Roland]

You know, and I hate to say this yet again, but if the RPRA levied every member £5 they would have the means, funds and a PR firm on board to boot quite simply. But apparently they are still worried about the out of member if they levied a single quiddy for a PR firm. This would need to be on board to deal with the press / publicity. Peter should be a feeder only to the PR firm and a sensible 'Think Tank' with a professional outlook and way of dealing would also be on board. ...

[Roland]

Mnd I will support wholeheartedly - like promised before etc. -  WELL done the BICC, and about time too I guess.

[Sally McQueen]

Good luck Rose and all at B.I.C.C  

[blackjack]

Rose i am send my donation  everyone else this is a fight me must have now and must win or distance racing on the south is finished. To everyone else the BICC fund as its own funds will be managed properly and lets hope all flyers get together to fund this as its a fight for us all and will benefit us all . Ihope the SNFC,MNFC,NFC and all the other groups act as one yet again the BICC has grasped the nettle. Please everyone lets get together put differences aside this is a fight we must win.

[Guest]

well i think personally ...all the federations could have been involved and have a joint fund going....not just the bicc,im sure then the amount would be easier to raise,some wont give ..if they think its all for the bicc....if its for the good of all racing abroad then all should be involved....dont u think....paul

[johno]

rose i am only asking questions. i understand donation is voluntary. i think that you are somewhat optimistic in suggesting the quality of people involved somehow makes the set up immune from the ravages of human nature. the past shows that many well intentioned interventions have often lead to catastrophe. all i am trying to  point out is that it may be in the best interests of all if those invoved stood back and evaluated the situation in a bit more detail.

[Pompey Mick]

All the people involved are all of the highest integrity, Brian Long's reputation speaks for itself, Brian Wall, Jimmy Wearn, Mick Bunney, Albie & Jan Deacon are all long established genuine pigeon fanciers who only have the future of the Sport at heart. Your money couldn't be in safer hands.

 

All I will say, is this a good time to fight DEFRA with the extensive number of cases on the Continent, in fact we shouldn't fight DEFRA at all, they are merely working to the scientific risk assessments they have been provided with, they know very little about Avian Flu, relying on the advice of others to make their decisions, What we need to do is get the Risk Assessment re-assessed. It would be useful to find out why Eire's risk assessment differs from DEFRA's as they have no 7 day ruling, why? . What are the Continental Risk Assessments on Avian Flu and pigeons, it would seem they are less draconian than ours, why is this ?  It's the same disease, the same pigeons, the same risk. This is the area we should be active in. DEFRA is no different to any other Government department, they will agree to anything as long as they can blame someone else if it all goes wrong.We need to educate DEFRA not fight them, we have to be on their side, while looking after our own interests, after all their job is to protect the health of the Nation, and I'm afraid pigeon racing is pretty small beer compared to that.

 

http://www.pigeon-chat.com/viewtopic.php?t=5566&sid=0de22b06b8664df8989c9ff648d363b1

[johno]

Mr Blair and Mrs Thatcher would have us believe this was the case with their governments. all i am saying is that human nature is involved. the other major points of debate i see is who makes the policy? who constructs the job description? who decides what the salary is to be? who eveluates the performance of those who will be paid consultancy fees or salaries? how was the amount of money required arrived at? a venture like this needs control and clear targets right from the off. i do not see any indication of this. i am not trying to be difficult i am trying to be realistic. devils advocate.

[expat1]

Johno

It would be up to the people who started this to pick out whom they want to do the joband it will be negotiated between those people and the person they pick as to what any fees will be.

My friend the little thing called 'Trust ' is all that is needed in this case the people involved are of the utmost integrity, let them decide which is best, all they need is part of your money and of others to get it operationable

Steve, xpat1

[Guest]

is it really neccesary to quetion these people s honesty,integrity in public thay are prepared to put their neck on the choppng block as they say to get something up and running and have to be congratulated for it so why dont we just get behind them and give them or support if you dont wont to then thats fine keep ya comments to your self then and let people who are interested get on with it

[bewted]

AGREE WITH ROSE AND SAMMY,    TED

[Pompey Mick]

It would seem that DEFRA have a different view on the risk of contracting Avian Flu by people than it has with pigeons. Considering that the Human species has more documented cases of Avian Flu than racing pigeons one must wonder why.As you will see if you read this publication, the risk of contracting & spreading Avian Flu in the wild is minimalized, even in areas where Avian Flu is in existance. What's the difference between pigeons landing in a field or people walking in a park and why is pigeon racing treated differently?

 

http://www.hpa.org.uk/infections/topics_az/influenza/avian/documents/AIParksandOpenWatersRiskAssessment-July2006_000.pdf

 

These are the areas we need to tackle DEFRA on, are we being unfairly discriminated against.

[Bilco]

Several groups of pigeons have been scientifically tested by properly licensed and well organised Veterinarians, worldwide.  They have jointly arrived at the same conclusion,  i.e. that pigeons are not susceptible to Avian Influenza (H5N1).  Further, these same Vets opined that pigeons (Colombae) should not be  governed by regulations pertaining to poultry (Gallinae).  To this effect the EU jointly issued a Directive in April 2007, stating that pigeons are now not included in the species Gallinae .  DEFRA received a copy of this Directive in April this year. They have sat on it and done NOTHING to comply with the terms and provisions of the Directive.  They continue to treat pigeons as poultry, and to order conditions and provisions covering pigeons that simply do not apply in the EU Directive.  We, that is the fanciers who have had ebough of being treated as idiots, have had enough.  We now intend to challenge DEFRA in the Courts and to sue for the restitution of our sporting rights and privileges, and compensation.  Are you for us, or against us?

[Guest]

is it really neccesary to quetion these people s honesty,integrity in public thay are prepared to put their neck on the choppng block as they say to get something up and running and have to be congratulated for it so why dont we just get behind them and give them or support if you dont wont to then thats fine keep ya comments to your self then and let people who are interested get on with it

 

totaly agree with you

 

[johno]

every lawyer i know has an opinion. if two people have a conficting point and both go to lawyers. both lawyers tell their client they have a strong case. every court case has has two winners and two loosers. both lwyers win and both members of the public loose. the fact someone is taking legal advice means just that. they are taking advice. this is of no significance other than it has already started costing.

[Guest jason]

Are the B.I.C.C. planning to take Defra to court then? if so it could be risky, could back-fire and I don't think £100,000 will be enough!

just my opinion.

Why didn't they ask for the money after they'd found out if they have a case or not?

 

 

Jason

[swilcox]

if £100 is too much for everyone then lets all donate £1, 1000 members on this forum = £1000 it would be a start.

[Roland]

is it really neccesary to quetion these people s honesty,integrity in public thay are prepared to put their neck on the choppng block as they say to get something up and running and have to be congratulated for it so why dont we just get behind them and give them or support if you dont wont to then thats fine keep ya comments to your self then and let people who are interested get on with it

 

Here Hear, very true, and at days' end the acheiving the goal of channel racing must be the main objective. 'Little children help mother' is I believe very appropiate.

'All hands on deck' and certainly 'More the merrier'.