BAD NEWS TODAY

[DOVEScot]

 

culling is important in any  hobby/sport where breeding is involved be it for the best or ailments from pigeons to horse racing to farming.

 

on this thread i never advised anyone to kill this pigeon .

 

I would have gladly have culled a few parents when I was coaching, sadly not allowed  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

[DOVEScot]

 

Rubbish,if you need to cull for anything other than humane reasons  [ie because your pigeons are sub quality] then you need to seriously look at your own abilities as both a loft manager and breeder.

 

Is it not the case they breed as much as they can, hoping to get one or two good ones, then bin the rest

If you breed a 1000 then your odds are better than if you breed ten :-/

[jimmy white]

this comming weekend was to be the big birmingham cage bird show, my brother is secy of his club , and entered 16 , so will see what info he can come up with

 

i still say that the cellardyke swan was a strange  case , theres no way that floated over the north sea and was washed up in cellardyke [there would have been nothing left of it], just up the coast a few miles theres hundreds of swans, not one had this ,,this was on the day of the governments , "practice run day",,,odd,,,,,, now we have this outbreak,,,6 weeks b4  xmas ,not swans [which seem to be more prone to this ]  but eating birds  ..seems odd again to me,??

[DOVEScot]

this comming weekend was to be the big birmingham cage bird show, my brother is secy of his club , and entered 16 , so will see what info he can come up with

 

Aye worth a try jimmy  ;D

[Guest]

 

Is it not the case they breed as much as they can, hoping to get one or two good ones, then bin the rest

If you breed a 1000 then your odds are better than if you breed ten :-/

 

Exactly right,lots of fanciers do this and it is wrong,they just rely on the law of averages that they will get 1 winner out of 100.I bred 9 yb's this year for showing and spent about 4 months planning those pairings,result all of them have consistently carded for me,sold the one which carded the least to a top breeder at weekend [it still had 9 cards under its belt],also have beaten lots of fanciers all year who have bred up to 100 yb's,all you need to do is put some thought into your pairings,it's quality not quantity that counts.

[EAGLEOWL]

 

Rubbish,if you need to cull for anything other than humane reasons  [ie because your pigeons are sub quality] then you need to seriously look at your own abilities as both a loft manager and breeder.

 

well has i only keep a small team of pigeons four pair of stock and race only eight cocks and breed around twenty young birds a season,and always around the top come end of season over 60 prize cards won i will keep my rubbish .

 

yes i go for quality then quantity ,and all my stock raced in my loft , i dont buy pigeons i breed my own, and have done for twenty years

 

yes if they dont win they go .

 

tell that to young novice dylan lynn who has won four first this season after i lent him mystock birds free only ten years old racing against blokes with fifty years in the sport ,against his eight w-hood cocks each week and he only lost one pigeon so as you can see i must keep rubbish

 

[Guest dogeon]

lend me your stock birds i could do with some good ones lol i think mine stopped at the motorway cafe every race  >

ar well at least when i turned the race sheet upside down i was on the top ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

 

well has i only keep a small team of pigeons four pair of stock and race only eight cocks and breed around twenty young birds a season,and always around the top come end of season over 60 prize cards won i will keep my rubbish .

 

yes i go for quality then quantity ,and all my stock raced in my loft , i dont buy pigeons i breed my own, and have done for twenty years

 

yes if they dont win they go .

 

tell that to young novice dylan lynn who has won four first this season after i lent him mystock birds free only ten years old racing against blokes with fifty years in the sport ,against his eight w-hood cocks each week and he only lost one pigeon so as you can see i must keep rubbish

Surprised you manage to do a whole season with so few birds.

 

[DOVEScot]

 

well has i only keep a small team of pigeons four pair of stock and race only eight cocks and breed around twenty young birds a season,and always around the top come end of season over 60 prize cards won i will keep my rubbish .

 

yes i go for quality then quantity ,and all my stock raced in my loft , i dont buy pigeons i breed my own, and have done for twenty years

 

yes if they dont win they go .

 

tell that to young novice dylan lynn who has won four first this season after i lent him mystock birds free only ten years old racing against blokes with fifty years in the sport ,against his eight w-hood cocks each week and he only lost one pigeon so as you can see i must keep rubbish

 

Nobody said you kept rubbish, you cull the rubbish :-/

[jimmy white]

 

well has i only keep a small team of pigeons four pair of stock and race only eight cocks and breed around twenty young birds a season,and always around the top come end of season over 60 prize cards won i will keep my rubbish .

 

yes i go for quality then quantity ,and all my stock raced in my loft , i dont buy pigeons i breed my own, and have done for twenty years

 

yes if they dont win they go .

 

tell that to young novice dylan lynn who has won four first this season after i lent him mystock birds free only ten years old racing against blokes with fifty years in the sport ,against his eight w-hood cocks each week and he only lost one pigeon so as you can see i must keep rubbish

 

meant to post this qoute ,,sorry chrissy :B :B :B

[jimmy white]

 

 

possibly a cue for a new posting   but this posting has to do with shows off ,,or on,,,board flu or not ,, my ideal when posting results are no of birds in race,, no of members in club, and birdage of fed etc ,,but this could be another good topic

 

anyway 2 months approx to blackpool ,, a lot could happen b4 then [i hope to the good ]

 

 

[frank-123]

lets just hope there is no more outbreaks

same thing happened last year blackpool was off till the last minute fingers crossed

[DOVEScot]

 

Exactly right,lots of fanciers do this and it is wrong,they just rely on the law of averages that they will get 1 winner out of 100.I bred 9 yb's this year for showing and spent about 4 months planning those pairings,result all of them have consistently carded for me,sold the one which carded the least to a top breeder at weekend [it still had 9 cards under its belt],also have beaten lots of fanciers all year who have bred up to 100 yb's,all you need to do is put some thought into your pairings,it's quality not quantity that counts.

 

If Avian flu is here for any length of time there will be a lot more culling :'(

[Guest]

 

Its not just Blackpool show theres a lot more on before then and after it

 

we have already lost £70 on this weekends show and we have deposits at 6 hotels around the country we are going to loose as well as entries at some shows

last time this happened the organisers of a few shows lost the venues and just managed to hold a show the following year,quite a few poeple in the showing circles gave up there birds this could be another nail in the coffin  :-/

[DOVEScot]

Its not just Blackpool show theres a lot more on before then and after it

 

we have already lost £70 on this weekends show and we have deposits at 6 hotels around the country we are going to loose as well as entries at some shows

last time this happened the organisers of a few shows lost the venues and just managed to hold a show the following year,quite a few poeple in the showing circles gave up there birds this could be another nail in the coffin  :-/

 

Aye, the big wigs should be fighting every corner >

[chickadee]

Its not just Blackpool show theres a lot more on before then and after it

 

we have already lost £70 on this weekends show and we have deposits at 6 hotels around the country we are going to loose as well as entries at some shows

last time this happened the organisers of a few shows lost the venues and just managed to hold a show the following year,quite a few poeple in the showing circles gave up there birds this could be another nail in the coffin  :-/

 

Well lets hope not, it would be silly to give up something you really love just because of something that might not even effect your area.

[jimmy white]

 

Well lets hope not, it would be silly to give up something you really love just because of something that might not even effect your area.

 

i agree , maybe someone can put me right, but did we not have this carry on last year? we had the same news,,,,,every show, sale etc was off , then it materialised that we could apply to defra for a licence, then under their" rules " cleanliness and hygene and certain other criteria ,,,,,,,,,,,,,we were able to go ahead

[cemetary]

Agree with you on your post Jimmy, i will be contacting ADH at Perth tommorrow to see if we can go ahead with our shows, onwhich we have one on Satuarday, we done as they said the last time, and had no problems with the shows.

 

We had the vet on standby as per DEFRA rules, as onwhich i contacetd the vet and eplained all to him above the show etc.

 

They were happy with what we had in place, names of people attending and much more, we actually done more than they wanted us too doo ?

 

I actually suggested several things to them that we were going to be putting into place, they were gobsmacked with what we had in place.

 

But as several posts say, no shows etc, we will just have to wait and see what they say over the phone. :-/ :-/

[DOVEScot]

Agree with you on your post Jimmy, i will be contacting ADH at Perth tommorrow to see if we can go ahead with our shows, onwhich we have one on Satuarday, we done as they said the last time, and had no problems with the shows.

 

We had the vet on standby as per DEFRA rules, as onwhich i contacetd the vet and eplained all to him above the show etc.

 

They were happy with what we had in place, names of people attending and much more, we actually done more than they wanted us too doo ?

 

I actually suggested several things to them that we were going to be putting into place, they were gobsmacked with what we had in place.

 

But as several posts say, no shows etc, we will just have to wait and see what they say over the phone. :-/ :-/

 

Where and when is your show Cemetary

[Guest]

Gary Eaton of London & Essex show spoke to Defra today about a Licence there reply was hold your show in February after we have reviewed the situation in December they wouldnt give him a licence, but then again the show was this coming weekend

[cemetary]

Dovescot our show is held in Methilhaven bowling club mate, hopefully this satuarday at starting at 12 oclock, i will keep you posted.

 

I phoned the club president when i read the posts, i will keep in touch with him when i get any info from Perth in the morning, incase he has to cancel the show, he will have to inform the judges and the Levenmouth members who are looking forward to the show.

[ALF]

 

now i know

 

its a secret   ;D

 

 

SOME OF US ACTUALLY WORK FOR A LIVING DAFTY AND I WAS AWAY TO MY WORK BY THE TIME YOU POSTED THIS :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Agree with you on your post Jimmy, i will be contacting ADH at Perth tommorrow to see if we can go ahead with our shows, onwhich we have one on Satuarday, we done as they said the last time, and had no problems with the shows.

 

We had the vet on standby as per DEFRA rules, as onwhich i contacetd the vet and eplained all to him above the show etc.

 

They were happy with what we had in place, names of people attending and much more, we actually done more than they wanted us too doo ?

 

I actually suggested several things to them that we were going to be putting into place, they were gobsmacked with what we had in place.

 

But as several posts say, no shows etc, we will just have to wait and see what they say over the phone. :-/ :-/

 

They will tell you the same over the phone as they told me, everything is off,,  because it was the ADH that phoned me yesterday morning and told me all shows were cancelled, that was when I posted this thread to let everybody know that everything was cancelled, yet some still think there are shows going on, :-/ they had just given me a license a couple of days before, I had all the things in place same as you, did all I was asked by them to comply, so unfortunately your show like ours and all the rest will be cancelled this weekend, but shows that want to continue with only trade stands will go on but what is the point of any shows with no birds.

[cemetary]

TAMMY,

 

I didnt read the thread you posted mate and thought you were spinning a charn, i am the one that gets the licence for our club shows all the time we hold them, i was asked by the president of the club to contacted ADH for the licence, but after reading your thread i immediately contacted the president to tell him about it as he was unaware they were getting cancelled.

 

I phoned this morning as i said, and was told that the licence had been removed from the website until further notice, dont no when they are going to lift the ban on bird shows etc, the gentleman said that its the whole country not just certain areas.

 

So our club president will inform the local secretarys and let them no.

 

SO ALL LEVENMOUTH MEMBERS WHO WERE GOING TO ATTEND THE SHOW AT METHILHAVEN BOWLING CLUB ON SATUARDAY 17 TH AT 12.00, THE SHOWS CANCELLED  UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE LADS.   :(

[jimmy white]

TAMMY,

 

I didnt read the thread you posted mate and thought you were spinning a charn, i am the one that gets the licence for our club shows all the time we hold them, i was asked by the president of the club to contacted ADH for the licence, but after reading your thread i immediately contacted the president to tell him about it as he was unaware they were getting cancelled.

 

I phoned this morning as i said, and was told that the licence had been removed from the website until further notice, dont no when they are going to lift the ban on bird shows etc, the gentleman said that its the whole country not just certain areas.

 

So our club president will inform the local secretarys and let them no.

 

SO ALL LEVENMOUTH MEMBERS WHO WERE GOING TO ATTEND THE SHOW AT METHILHAVEN BOWLING CLUB ON SATUARDAY 17 TH AT 12.00, THE SHOWS CANCELLED  UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE LADS.   :(

 

so sorry to here this , cemetry after checking with defra , "all shows with birds  are cancelled " brother david phoned me this morning his big birmingham cage bird show [which he has looked forward to is off , i asked if shows could be postponed ,,unfortunately defra,s wording is" cancelled ", he is the secy] but he informs me , as for the pigeon men this could proove differant after the end of dec [defra,s meeting ] where the powers that be, should be putting up the biggest fight of their life,,,,,,,,,,,,,,shows can be cancelled then re-arranged at "another suitable time" possibly," just possibly"after that meeting ,,, so lets hope there are no more outbreaks , i dont know what the webmaster would think , but any club shows could allways hold looking through classes judged by your own judges on p,basics [at least we could all be at the show ] sad, sad  time, but we must keep the fight up and find someway out