birtish strains

[snowy]

Guess it might not be the best way if you wanted to sell birds but i would have thought what they have done and what they breed is more important than what they are

 

Great reading all,  

like rose said, i think as long as the blood is there as in (distance) breeding 2 good distance birds together regardless af strain who cares.  i will be racing my distance birds taking them seriously this year for the first time, as these are from distance blood, putmans, kirkpatricks, & now they are 2 year olds, i think they might (hope) start performing for us,. as we have taken them easy for the first two years, just a couple of chanel races last year.

thanks again,

great post.  

[Guest]

Guess it might not be the best way if you wanted to sell birds but i would have thought what they have done and what they breed is more important than what they are

 

Aye, I agree totally Rose, in my enjoyment of this thread I missed a point on this post of yours earlier. What you are saying is exactly right, what they have done and what they breed IS more important. GOOD PIGEONS, simple as that! I would rather have a loft full of "unfashionable" winners, as have no performance birds but them all be of the latest fashionable must have families!!

[Guest Vic]

Vic

 

wasnt that why pigeon from belguim were first brought into the Uk because all traditional uk families were longer distance breed. I here those first sprint pigeons done some real damage!!!

 

Remember an old telling me how he had just got some foriegn birds and his own couldnt keep up with off training, they were Busschearts.

 

Stuart

Stu. It wasn't the advent of Belgium pigeons arriving on our shores, that made ours look slow. It was simply the changeover to Widowhood racing, that  taught many, what pigeon racing was all about. Yet widowhood racing, and the dark yb system,was being practised into the North West, many, many years before.

[Guest]

Approximately when was the Dark System being used first in the NW Vic? Not being picky or anything, i'm geniunely interested! I suspect that it was being used as far back as the very late 70's / early 80's in the South, but don't think it hit my beloved North East until the mid nineties!

[blackjack]

Vic is right in what he says Albert Barton,Dr Rigg and many others were doing widowhood darkness in the 1950s and 1960s .I still fly the old English stuff though i fly natural due to my job and enjoying it they do not let me down.Roses choice a great hen Mrs Wills were would you put her in comparison with Saucy Sarah and Brittainia ?.

[Guest]

Cheers for the response Steve!

 

Do you mean the Young Bird Dark System? Or are you on about Darkening W/hood Cocks down? My perception of Vic's post was the young bird system!

 

This really is one of the most interesting threads that there has been on here!

[Merlin]

By many of the posts thoughts above,is it not possible that these sprinter strains with careful selection,proper preparation,patience, feeding, and very important item in this case,fanciers ability could some of these be also capable of flying the distance,a good bird is a good bird regardless.

P.S Best threadt for a long time.

[ch pied]

i thought my old man was mad when he told me to darken the y/b loft , that was ,81, said it was an old tippler move , that was used as far back as the 1930's , i thought i was kicking a dead dog , result's proved otherwise , sorry of the topic :B

[Guest]

By many of the posts thoughts above,is it not possible that these sprinter strains with careful selection,proper preparation,patience, feeding, and very important item in this case,fanciers ability could some of these be also capable of flying the distance,a good bird is a good bird regardless.

P.S Best thread for a long time.

 

In my opinion Merlin, WITHOUT A DOUBT! Have proved that myself, winning channel races with supposedly Sprint birds, numerous times. Gary Squibb (Planet Bros) once said at a "moot" up here, that we in the North East fed our pigeons too heavy. A year later, my partnership won Provins 480 miles with one of his Van Loons, which despite winning inland with other birds, i couldn't get them! I told Gary when i met him at Blackpool, and he laughed! Good birds will come!  

[Guest Vic]

I went to Dr Riggs "Fairhurst Hall" in the early sixties, along with a dear friend of mine who was intent on buying the "best". The transaction led to quite a number of visits, and the good doctor himself would pick us up from Burscough bridge in his Rolls Royce and drive us up to Parbold.  Yes! my brain was as sharp as paint in them days . and his wise words, still remain with me.. Incidentally! I do recall him saying that Clayton of the Gitts family from the Blackburn area, had  lofts that were in almost total darkness, Now he was talking about the  late thirties.Did Barker show the Begiums how to do it then? I could go on and on.

[blackjack]

Sorry darky i meant windowhood and darkness and Vic is spot on about Ted Clayton too Dick Baldwin told me about this the darkened  loft .Albert Barton was widowhood too in the 1950s.

[Guest]

i thought my old man was mad when he told me to darken the y/b loft , that was ,81, said it was an old tippler move , that was used as far back as the 1930's , i thought i was kicking a dead dog , result's proved otherwise , sorry of the topic :B

 

Brilliant ......... i once read a book where a crack continental partnership done something similar without actually telling what it was they were doing! They were following their fathers advice through what he had learned with canaries! ......... and that was going back to the 30's! However you are right, we are gong slightly going off topic here! But thanks for the responses, very enjoyable reading!

[blackjack]

I will add Ted Claytons old bird loft is still at Dick Baldwins now it has all" the .new "boxes ie widowhood boxes and Albert Bartons loft was all closed in the 1960s and possibly earlier i have a couple of photos. Albert Barton was flying roundabout in the 1960s as well .

[blackjack]

PS when the site has threads like this it is good lets keep off the silly and stupid and follow this.

[swilcox]

yes your probaly right there Vic.

[Guest]

I went to Dr Riggs "Fairhurst Hall" in the early sixties, along with a dear friend of mine who was intent on buying the "best". The transaction led to quite a number of visits, and the good doctor himself would pick us up from Burscough bridge in his Rolls Royce and drive us up to Parbold.  Yes! my brain was as sharp as paint in them days . and his wise words, still remain with me.. Incidentally! I do recall him saying that Clayton of the Gitts family from the Blackburn area, had  lofts that were in almost total darkness, Now he was talking about the  late thirties.Did Barker show the Begiums how to do it then? I could go on and on.

 

 

Brilliant Vic, thats what i was wanting to know! My Dad got his birds from Dr. Rigg in the 60's, couldn't do anything wrong with them, won from the first race to the last, whatever the wind blew! Vic, please go on ....... the craic on this thread is great! Thoroughly enjoyable!

 

 

[blackjack]

Yes Rose forgot Gails supreme 4 great hens raced by you and John.

[Roland]

Would say nigh all good pigeon strains though are based on the 'Distance birds orinally.

[Roland]

Why does so much emphasis go on pure birds these days does it really matter if i got a good cock and a good hen and they make what i think would make an ideal pair they would go together whether they were the same breed or not

 

They are after all pigeon foremost and lastly. Yes characture and trats play a part agreed.

[Michael J Burden]

praticully any bird sprint or otherwise is capable of doing 13 nay 14 hours on the wing in a helping wind. Turn the wind around and the real distance champs are generally the only ones clocked.

Personaly I like the latter and forget the others.

[Guest]

Where's Vic gone?  ;D

The discussion was going great guns! Rose, give him a nudge will ya please?

[Michael J Burden]

praticully any bird sprint or otherwise is capable of doing 13 nay 14 hours on the wing in a helping wind. Turn the wind around and the real distance champs are generally the only ones clocked.

Personaly I like the latter and forget the others.

[Guest Vic]

Dr (Tom) at the time, was flying his birds into a brick built barn,  with some rather riketty stairs leading up to the actual pigeon loft. He was a great believer of using beans for breeding,  and after dampening  the hessian sacks beforehand, he would use the sprouting beans as his manna. The ultimate breeding food he would say. Although the doctor was up with the times, I still believe that he didn't put two and two together regarding Claytons dakening system. His Barker Gitts Family were out of this world, which was proved by the "Flying Fleas" racing into Willaston Cheshire  by Rigby Bros  just after the early sixties. He was also a great believer in dog tooth maize, which he had in his dinner jacket at Reeces (NW NANTES PAYOUT) all them years ago, to show me and my mate what the game was about. Oh!  happy times Vic. .

[Guest]

My Dad has talked about the flying fleas, think he had some many moons ago! Were they Reds Vic?

[HOMER49]

Hi

To right vic

Dr Riggs pigeons were very good also a Mr Hodge of Southport (Gits)

Cheers

Homer 49